2004-01-24, 11:18 | Link #1 |
CommanderBunBun
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The final information on the res....[Spoiler]
Well i knew it was a jutsu.... On ch 150 page 17 Jiraiya refers to it as a Jutsu twice... and on ch 151 page 12 he tells naruto,without any room for debate,that he should worry about learning its Seal right now,just the chakra ammount and controling of the jutsu. He also refers to the seals for the jutsu as being difficult seal.
Now the form of the hand may be just that seal..a one handed Seal. He also says Naruto has the ability to be the 4th master of it...Which means 2 other poeple mastered it other then Naruto...ending the debate that only Jiraiya and the 4th hokage could do it. So whos the other one? I bet 3rd hokage since he knew all but 1 jutsu from konoha. ________ Cum Last edited by Coder8; 2011-05-14 at 02:52. |
2004-01-24, 16:07 | Link #3 |
CommanderBunBun
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Meh i made a seprate topic so we could focuse on the resengan alone and not all over the place.
This gives it a specific purpose and a way to find it easier instead of going through 2 pages of posts looking. Its also new information that should end the debate,so i thought it should get its own topic (edit) O yes and what you did there was kinda hyprocritical...you made a post about a post that got a topic...while not adding anything to the topic ;( ________ The cigar boss Last edited by Coder8; 2011-05-14 at 02:53. |
2004-01-24, 17:04 | Link #5 |
CommanderBunBun
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Meh sticky this if you want or rewrite it as a sticky it solves people who ask.
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2004-01-24, 17:44 | Link #6 | |
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Just don't make a new thread about the Rasengan to answer a post in an other thread that was also about the Rasengan, it's completely stupid. And anyway : -No, the Rasengan hasn't hand seals. -Not even a one hand seal, it's imposible exept in a bloodline case. -No, only Jiraiya and the 4th knew the Rasengan before Naruto. As much for the final informations... |
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2004-01-24, 18:07 | Link #7 |
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Umm what you say goes against what the manga says...So dont be mad if i take Kishimotos word over yours....
Also I dont like it just being called a Jutsu. I saw where they explained NinJutsu TaiJutsu and GenJutsu...but i dont remember them as a Jutsu. Neji's palm kaiten is a TaiJutsu move...since he uses it with TaiJutsu. Also i addressed a issue with information that wasnt there before. The topic stays! muahaha. Also we dont know if only a bloodline is the only people who can do Hand seals,doesnt say. Manga says 3 others have done the resengan. Unless there is a website with emails to kishimoto,i dont know where this information was gained. Other then just theories,what i am dealing with is hard facts provided Via the manga. ________ EXPERT INSURANCE Last edited by Coder8; 2011-05-14 at 02:53. |
2004-01-24, 22:04 | Link #8 |
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You're completely wrong and you have obviously some reading dysfonctions.
The Rasengan is a jutsu simply because jutsu mean technic/skill. The Taijutsu are the technics that uses the body like the Gouken of Lee, the Jyuken of the Hyuga or the Piercing Fang of Kiba. The jutsus like the Chidori, the Rasengan, the chakra scalpel, the Kaiten, etc. are Ninjutsu used in close combat, it's completely different. Then You should re-read what Kakashi said about the single handed seals during the beginning of the fight Sasuke/Haku. But anyway the Rasengan is a jutsu without hand seals as stated in the manga. Finally the manga states that only Jiraiya and the 4th knew the Rasengan before Naruto. |
2004-01-24, 22:17 | Link #9 |
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Why must there be a hostile person who hides behind the "I'm mostly being sarcastic" attuide?
And this is a FORUM,dont like my opinions,fine. assualt them,WRONG,go away and find some nazi camp where opinions cant be different. Back to Naruto They are useless without someone fighitng them at close range. Granted the kaiten could be used to stop missles of sorts but still,a waste of chakra really. O and sorry if i like to have things classified in the 3 fields given to us by kishimoto... Find me the part where it says No hand seals are required for it. Find me the page. If you cant,then drop it,i took the time and effort to find the ones...You could atleast counter my posts with some facts,not some attuide+a hissy fit. Once again find me the page(I know Tsundane talks about the jutsu,try their meeting) Where it says that the Jutsu was RESTRICTED to Naruto,4rd and jiraiya. Also Ch24 page 4 Kakashi comments about the 1 handed seals as "With one hand? i've never seen that before" How does that constitute Haku having a bloodline? O yes and to end this,i read perfectly fine,i read on averge 800 pages a day on a weekend. stop showing ignorance and start acting like a mature member of this forum. Better yet start showing some facts other then just empty words. Also Umm the Gentle fist style TaiJutsu uses chakra.... Lee is a tai jutsu specialist...but i doubt he could do it. I think thats abit miffy too ________ New Mexico Dispensaries Last edited by Coder8; 2011-05-14 at 02:55. |
2004-01-24, 22:35 | Link #10 | |
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OH and Coder8, you really shouldn't have started a new thread just for this. There was no reason to. Some threads go on for 20 pages or more, and just about every thread 2 pages or more goes off topic at somepoint. Two pages, with the topic not drifting too far of is pretty good. You'll find people here will be nicer if you don't start topics that are completely pointless or have been discussed many many times. edit: Plus no ''fact'' will ever end a debate. That applies here, other forums, and in real life. Just watch political debates and you'll see.
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2004-01-24, 22:40 | Link #11 |
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Meh this is the last time i'll ever discuess this topic since i have it figured out personally
Also i didnt see a topic related to this before....i saw one post I DID that hinted to this subject...but no topics. O and i find theres a cynical forum person in all forums. ________ JUSTIN BIEBER FANS Last edited by Coder8; 2011-05-14 at 02:55. |
2004-01-24, 22:47 | Link #12 | |
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2004-01-24, 22:51 | Link #13 |
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He doesnt like repetivie posts?
Why does he take part in them then? Remember not everyone has talked about everything Hunter has. Something havnt been discuessed. I mean i dont force him to view this.... O well,if this is cuasing this much trouble i'll delete it if possible,or have a admin delete it. no point in getting every upset over it. ________ S2000 Last edited by Coder8; 2011-05-14 at 02:55. |
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Ninjutsu is the art of the ninja. The Summoning no Jutsu, as well as the Rasengan, Chidori, the Kage Mane no Jutsu and the Kaiten are ninjutsu. In other words, any technique which necessarily needs Chakra released from various parts of the body is a ninjutsu. The Rasengan doesn't require hand seals. So what? The Rasengan is a jutsu where you release a large amount of Chakra in your hand, spin it like a maelstrom and then hit the enemy with it. The Chidori is a ninjutsu where you release a large amount of Chakra in your hand and then form a "Chakra blade" to perfure the enemy. In the Kaiten, you release Chakra from all parts of your body to stop any attacks being made at you. In the Kage Mane, you use Chakra to stretch your shadow and then control the shadow of the enemy. The Tasuuga, Kiba's clan jutsu, is a mix of nin and genjutsu. Akamaru transforms himself into Kiba using the Bunshin no Jutsu, and then they quickly spin releasing a large amaount of Chakra from their body to damage the enemy. Saying again, a ninjutsu doesn't necessarely means hand seals to be performed. Anyone who releases a large amount of Chakra in their hand and transform it into electricity/fire/water; wathever, or even pure Chakra released from any part of the body, is a ninjutsu. Also, those techniques which we have seen so far, like Haku's Demonic Ice Mirrors, releasing jutsu and transforming it in Ice Mirrors; Sasuke's Dragon Fire no Jutsu (Chakra released from his mouth and turned into fire); Tsunade's special healing jutsu (she uses Chakra to accelerate the metabolism); Ino uses her jutsu to send her counciousness to another body and then control the enemy body for a short time; all those are ninjutsu. Orochimaru's metampyschosis, he uses his Chakra to transfer his soul to another body; that's a ninjutsu. Just adding a necessary note here. Release is a different word from concentrate. In some ninjutsu (specially those which don't require hand seals), you release Chakra. In the taijutsu, you may concentrate it at your free will. So please don't make a confusion and say that Lee's able to use ninjutsu cause he's able to concentrate Chakra. Genjutsu is the art of the illusion: shadow clones, substitution. The Kawarimi no Jutsu and the Bunshin no Jutsu are genjutsu. In other words, anything that's not "real" is a genjutsu, an illusion. Quote:
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OK. Just adding another note, an off-topic note. If you people don't see me in this forum often these days, is because I'm spenting my time playing Naruto- Gekitou Ninja Taisen 2. I'm really hooked to the game, so I don't... err... have time to come here lol But don't worry, the mighty Vicious may come anytime. Now, back to the game. TAKE THAT, KANKUROU! |
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2004-01-24, 23:26 | Link #15 |
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Umm...ok well you posted ;D i'll respond if you want.
You did a post in a well manner...but i have a feeling your siding with Hunter for other reasons then whats happend. Look at what has happend. From my point of view he assualted me repeadily and never backed up what he said. How should i react to this? he clearly wasnt being mature to me. You've known him longer,of course you take his side,cant blame anyone for that. O and Lee cant do any ninjutsu or genjutsu. I dont think he could do the gentle fist,meh. Also you pointed out 2 things that were wrong...not awefully wrong either And one of them is contradicting sources from the manga,but i will admit i may be wrong. I also never said i didnt think it was a JUTSU,also Explaining something to someone who already posted something,then quoting them for what they said earlier is kinda childish,and taking something out of context extremely. I wanted to know WHAT kind of jutsu it was,thats all. Also i think i KNOW what i can read at...and all i know is that hunter assualted me for little to no reason. When i started this thread i didnt know he forces himself to view threads he hates and posts in them. But look,i'll end up being the bad guy since i'm the new guy ,while no one will condem Hunter or Vicous for stating their opinions. Any admin wanna delete this thread? (edit) O and i never said he COULDNT use chakra,i said he couldnt do nin jutsu or gen jutsu,so he probally couldnt use the gentle fist style.... ________ BDSM Last edited by Coder8; 2011-05-14 at 02:56. |
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2004-01-24, 23:42 | Link #17 |
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Geez vicous your making me look like a ass ;(
Ok i'll admit that its a jutsu...i'll be happy with that,with how you explained it,i can understand that and agree. With what i disagree with is that Tsundane(a third part who hasnt been around jiraiya for awhile we beleive)says only The 4th and him knew it. But in my orginal post,Jiraiya says Naruto could be the 4th to learn it. ________ WENDIE 99 Last edited by Coder8; 2011-05-14 at 02:56. |
2004-01-24, 23:46 | Link #18 |
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Thats bizarre, I'd never noticed that it says 'I will become the 4th master of this jutsu'. I'd guess maybe the 3rd Hokage had learnt it also (I remember it being said somewhere that he knew all of Konoha's jutsu). [edit - its from chapter 153, page 8, bottom left]
Also, Im not sure what you meant about Haku, Coder8, he does have an advanced bloodline, if you were asking, but the one-handed hand seals is just something 'special' he can do. edit 2 - I took so long to type up this reply that Vicious and you managed a fully fledged conversation :/ Also, Kage Bunshin isnt genjutsu, its ninjitsu (albeit a forbidden one) as the clones are real bodies, not illusionary [/pedantic] Last edited by GreyArea; 2004-01-24 at 23:57. |
2004-01-24, 23:51 | Link #19 |
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My first post has a link to the part where it says 4th.
And i beleive,unless i am mistaken that Hunter says the hand seals indicate that haku has a bloodline. ________ Digital Vape Last edited by Coder8; 2011-05-14 at 02:56. |
2004-01-25, 00:34 | Link #20 |
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I believe Coder8 is right - Naruto would be the fourth master. The Yondaime (who invented the technique), Jiraiya (who taught Naruto), and an as-yet unnamed person (who might be the Sandaime).
And, if you want a reference, volume 17 chapter 153 page 8 good enough? But, one-handed seals doesn't necessarily MEAN Haku has a bloodline. EDIT: Whoops, didn't read the thread closely enough to realize Grey had already posted the page number. |
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