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Sensei, aishite imasu
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It seems to me that you can either have Star Trek style socialism where the majority of the populace would be on replicator ration card welfare, or extreme Darwinism where the majority of the populace is left to starve...at which point you had better be ready to keep lots of gas drones on hands in case they start bread rioting.
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2013-08-04, 14:15 | Link #29862 |
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I've generally thought it be better to somehow cut down the "cost of living" rather than raise wages. There is something (hopefully other than wages) that keeps driving prices up, and it be nice to find a way to cut that off and get some things lowered again so that comsumers can actual start purchasing more, as they feel more confident in getting not only survival goods, but also luxury items (where the profits come from).
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2013-08-04, 14:18 | Link #29863 | |
Sensei, aishite imasu
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2013-08-04, 14:21 | Link #29864 | |
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Location: Germany
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Are you trying to say that is a bad thing? Look, this whole argument has been around for so long and has been proven wrong over and over again. Almost none of the jobs from 100 years ago exist in their original form today. Yet we have 'only' 5%-10% unemployment, with a much larger population. How is that possible when we need so much less people to do a job? Well, it's easy: we just do more! If you replace 100 people with showels with a guy with a bulldozer, then what do the other people do? They all get a bulldozer and build a hundred roads! When we manage to free labor by using machines, we then allocate that labor to do more things, more effectively, in a bigger scale. And we are certainly not at the end of scale. There are still too many things that we should do, only they cost too much. Too high cost of anything important is an indicator that we are not quite there yet. |
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2013-08-04, 14:23 | Link #29865 | ||
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2013-08-04, 14:32 | Link #29866 | |
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2013-08-04, 14:35 | Link #29867 | |
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If production increases faster than the population, real wages can simply rise as the human labor becomes more valuable in comparison. |
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2013-08-04, 14:38 | Link #29868 | |
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Or, an alternative situation will exist where it is cheaper to have a human on the job than a machine.
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2013-08-04, 14:40 | Link #29870 | ||
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Or maybe rich people will use Terminator robots so they don't have to share the Earth with the now obsolete poor. Quote:
But when we do... Two things: - we won't need human labor to lead comfortable lives. It's not a matter of good or bad. We can all, from the lowest to the highest, stay in bed all day and not starve. Which means either we will do just that, or we'll force ourselves to pretend to be useful. You say "do more", but what for? Once we can all be comfortable without lifting a finger? - you say we'll find other jobs, but that would mean finding some quality where we'll still beat robots. And they're quickly catching up across the board. They're still far in some areas, but they're a hell of a lot closer than they used to be. Except, maybe, creativity, but as I said, most humans aren't all that creative either. |
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2013-08-04, 14:48 | Link #29871 | ||
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Not a bad thing for these kids, except it costs more and more to raise them. |
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2013-08-04, 15:20 | Link #29874 |
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Yes, job rewards don't necessarily have to be currency or in goods or services. Worth or status are viable alternatives. Why do you think people do volunteer work, give to charity or participate in amateur sports? Humans are social creatures.
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2013-08-04, 15:37 | Link #29875 |
I disagree with you all.
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Yes, but again, what will those "tasks that require human contact" be? Menial customer service jobs, for the most part. And who will want to do that if they don't need to? What kind of status do you get out of getting yelled at by some moron?
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2013-08-04, 15:48 | Link #29876 | |
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Who would want to do that? A current example can be found in MMO games. There are plenty of players who spend thousands of hours of their free time to performing mind numbing tasks to kit out their characters to simply impress other players and increase their self worth. In a world without material need, you could simply earn credits for real estate locations, titles, collectors items, or anything that is rare and desirable. |
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2013-08-04, 18:21 | Link #29877 | |
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2013-08-04, 22:14 | Link #29878 |
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Whistleblowers pay price even as China vows to fight corruption
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9730BB20130804 For surgery, big and famous hospitals aren't always the best http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96U0CQ20130731
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[quote](and this is more directed at kyp275's lack of sympathy for their demands for higher wages). Read above. Also, I resent that accusation, there is a difference between asking for higher wages and asking for ridiculous wages. Quote:
Whether the owner maintains the property personally is irrelevant, if anything, hiring someone else to manage the property actually create additional jobs. Quote:
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2013-08-05, 09:46 | Link #29880 |
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World's first lab-grown burger is eaten in London
Now to wait until it's available to the public after throughout testing.
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