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2008-02-09, 15:47 | Link #63 |
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How isn't it justified to have moved to, in your words, "give them a bloody nose"? You don't give a bloody nose in a firefight by standing in a line and shooting in one direction unless the terrain limits you. You flank, divert fire, and do any number of dirty tricks to maintain the initiative. Sumeragi devised a tactic to allow Celestial Being the initiative. Sergei had a dirty trick lined up to counter it and keep the momentum. Sergei clearly won that gambit, but hardly makes Sumeragi an incompetant, or even that she made the "wrong" call at the time.
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2008-02-09, 15:55 | Link #64 |
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By "give them a bloody nose", I don't mean engaging them full on and destroying as many of them as possible. I mean displaying enough firepower to convince the HRL not to swarm them recklessly. That is not accomplished by separating and allowing the enemy to pick whichever target they want.
The point, as I've been saying, wasn't to "win" the battle. It was just to get away. And, never mind the result. Is there any justification for separating, from Sumeragi's point of view, when they spotted the HRL? What the hell did she think to accomplish? What advantage was she seeking, there? |
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2008-02-11, 11:36 | Link #66 |
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For the big three, the best strategy I can think of is assassination of the pilots and members. Of course, that'll still require intelligence of sorts. Setsuna's name has been revealed already anyways, they can just look that name up and whatever he's done.
Microwaving them inside their gundams seems to work fine too. Solution: build portable high radiation weaponry. |
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Finding out the identity of the gundam meisters is pretty difficult and almost impossible. First, they are only known by codenames (even by us, the viewers, except for Lockon and Setsuna, names that only US viewers know). The powers havenīt even found many clues about the scientists that built the gundams, so finding out about 4 random guys would be almost impossible. The only one that can be found technicaly is Allelujah because Sergei already knows he is a supersoldier from their programm (the scientist that got arrested already found his file but I donīt know why he didnīt gave it to Sergei when he got arrested). Sergei could also use Soma as a "Allelujah detector". He could detect Allelujah when he uses the orbital elevator, asuming Allelujah uses the HRL orbital elevator of course. Tieria is the most difficult to find because no one knows even what he is, (male, female,cyborg, all of the above...). Besides, now CB (or the Thrones and other people at least) seems to be eliminating all people who are investigating about the gundams, so I think the any assasination attempt of the pilots or any CB member would be impossible (except in battle).
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2008-02-11, 15:29 | Link #69 |
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Ali knows who Setsuna is. His information would probably be worth something if it didn't raise questions about how he knows. Of course depending upon who talks to, he could be forgiven for his crimes as part of a deal. At this point though, Ali seems about as important as a wet paper bag, but it's there.
They know who Allejuah is and even have a probable physical description. He hasn't changed much in the past ten or so years. Ageing him appropiately and distributing his appearance to various intelligence agencies would make sure he never sets foot on Earth again. Who really knows anything about Lockon? He's the second most mysterious Meister. He's got a twin brother who may or may not know anything about him. I don't even think Tieria is from Earth. His identity is worthless. Really, the Meisters aren't worth much. Ideally, Orange Suit and Pigtails would be caught. Sumeragi would be a big one to catch as well. |
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I believe Sumeragi and the others wouldnīt be different from the meisters. All of them know basically the same things. Maybe Felt knows more because she has been more involved with CB than anyone else. Although I capturing the Ptolemy and itīs crew, even without gundams and meisters, would be a really great catch, especially because of Veda. Could be one hell of a good tactic. Creating a conflict using enough forces to atract all the 4 gundams while simultaneously send teams to find the Ptolemy. |
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2008-02-11, 16:18 | Link #73 |
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Ali doesn't know who Setsuna is exactly. He only knows he's one of the kids from Kurdish that he trained.
As for Allelujah, the scientist wasn't giving up his identity because that meant admitting they were killing their failed experiments. The guy said it himself when he found out who Allelujah was that it would be bad if Sergei, etc found out about that. Bad enough they've been experimenting on kids without admitting you've been coldlessly killing them as well. The whole reason Soma can't understand Allelujah's actions is because she has no idea of the truth of what happens to it failures. They came from the same place but experienced very different outcomes.
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And I think it's pretty much a given that what the scienctist knew is now known by Sergei, and probably Soma. They know what Allejuah looks like, but have no idea where he's been since they let him go. As for why Soma is curious about his slaughter of her kin, I am curious as to that too. That whole episode was about Allejuah "becoming of age", but how it played out simply showed how much of a baby he is. It would have been better for VEDA to have said "These Super Soldiers are dangerous to us. Destroy them." instead of Allejuah having his little moment in the spotlight and making himself feel better by killing hundreds of people. |
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VEDA didn't have the data for that. It's not even clear if it was known before Allelujah passed on the Super Soldier info that CB knew about it. They certainly didn't know about the facility on the colony. The only way to attack it was for Allelujah to pass on the info.
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Instead, Allejuah pulls top secret information out of his ass, non-chalantly passes it on to Sumeragi who arbitraily decides it's war incitement and grants permission for Allejuah to kill as many as he wants in order for him to become of age. |
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If not, then I stand by my belief that Ali knows exactly who Setsuna is. |
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