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2012-09-28, 08:12 | Link #22 | |
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Annecdotes do not make data. But just making a small thought experiment, consider than in the past: -Literacy rates around the world were way, way lower. -Mortality rates were way up. -Access to information or books in general was restricted to a few elite. And it wouldn't be a stretch to see that just going by sheer numbers nowadays we are doing way better than, say, the world as a whole 300 years ago.
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2012-09-28, 08:14 | Link #23 | |
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2012-09-28, 09:26 | Link #24 |
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Hm, come to think of it, as I google'd all the authors of whom I had particular respect -- it seems like they're all pre-1950's. Now, looking at the modern "literature" that I read.. I feel most of it is currently, for lack of a better word, is kind of trashy.. It's enjoyable and fun but I don't "respect" it ..
So, here's my list of those whom I think have a chance of going down in history, as well as some hopefuls that are likely not going to but I hope would: William Golding - Probably / Likely J.K Rowling - Probably / Likely Douglas Adams - Unlikely, but I like him Neil Gaiman - Unlikely, but I like him George Orwell - Kind of cheating, 1984 was published in 1949.. |
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2012-09-28, 17:57 | Link #27 | |
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Either that or I am not reading enough modern literature. Most of the fiction stuff I read are still along the lines of Daniel Defoe, Robert Louis Stevenson, H.G Wells, etc. The writers of the 1800s and early 1900s - didn't quite like "modern literature" other than Tom Clancy, but even his works are getting quite dry.
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2012-09-28, 19:00 | Link #28 | |
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Anyway, if you like Tom Clancy's works, I will suggest you look up Steven Pressfield, who in a way runs counter to what Clancy usually writes. Instead of modern day confilcts, Pressfield writes about historical battles. He also choose to ignore high politics and just focus on the lowly grunts and talks mostly about brotherhood and duty. One of his signature title, Gates Of Fire had even cited as essential reading at West Point Academy for the officer cadets. Speaking of historical fiction, I believe a mention of James Clavell and his Asian Saga is needed. Engaging reads every one of them and they are historically accurate as far as I am concern. |
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2012-09-28, 19:29 | Link #29 | ||
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If I had to place a bet for 20th century, I would go with Tolkien. Post 1950 is harder to tell, probably Rowling.
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As for degenerating language. I think language is only improving. We have had a huge change in the way we communicated, and I think language is finally starting to catch up. There is less and less emphasis on presentation and more and more on content. You can only stick so much flowery embroidery into a very short piece of writing, thus the content is left to shine or die by its own merits instead of how beautifully it is argued. Despite being annoyed about how restricting the 160 char limit on texts is, I think its a wonderful thing. As for the pursuit of knowledge. I think that we are doing fine. There is a huge push for science/math education, and I think the generation currently growing up is a lot more accepting to science than the generation leaving. Of course I can only say this from anecdotes as well, but young adults seem to be optimistic about things like NASA/etc, but the current generation of adults tend to think progress is a waste of money. Also, despite not being interested as much in things like "fine" literature or history, the overall appetite for knowledge is increasing rapidly. We want to know everything about everything. Of course a lot of that everything about everything has to do with "lesser" pursuits of knowledge, and is often biased, but I think overall, its increased since even a decade ago. Quote:
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2012-09-28, 20:20 | Link #30 | |
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2012-09-28, 20:34 | Link #31 | |
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There are many great writers out there, if you just spend some time looking. With contemporary literature it's always harder because you don't have history to filter things out for you. But if you want some more contemporary (and slang filled...) literature you could try the Catcher in the Rhye. A fine book, only improved for it's slang. The only reasonably recent novel that I know of with decent chances for having staying power is maybe Ender's Game. I can't really put my finger on why it works so well, because a lot of the concept is a bit pulpy. I'm not a big reader of contemporary fiction, so I can't really comment further. I will say that Haruki Murakami's books in translation are very good. I'd say he has a good chance of becoming a classic author in the Japanese language. One area where I will agree that language has deteriorated is in professional communications. Too many businessmen and politicians are taking shelter in sophisticated sounding jargon and incomprehensible business speak. I swear, I'll strangle the next person who says "going forward" or "thinking outside the box". Of course, this is not something new. George Orwell wrote something very good about it. However, I don't think this trend has really affected literature. With literature it's a numbers game. There might be 999 hacks with hackneyed prose and stale metaphors, and 1 good author. That 1 good author is enough. Someone else said that you only get maybe 1 good author every decade. I think that's a bit low (I'd say it's probably 2 or 3), but you can't expect great literature to be everywhere. We're also neglecting New Media here too. I think something like Planescape Torment has a decent chance of becoming a classic. |
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2012-09-28, 21:47 | Link #34 |
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The reason I said about ''since 1950'' was simply to retrict the selection ( a way to avoid such obvious choice the Illiad for example ) to books or authors than haven't secured yet their ''place''. If you think than ''The Lord of the Ring'' haven't yet do so but should, I am perfectly fine to make it ''count''
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2012-09-28, 22:50 | Link #37 |
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^I agree. Orwell's presence in British and indeed Western culture is far more pervasive than his volume of work would indicate, and his influence only grows with the forward momentum of the modern world. He is already a classic.
_____________ I see J.K. Rowling recounted a lot here. Rowling is very popular, and I think Harry Potter is fun, but I don't see the series as a classic in the making. Many, many generations of people have had their favorite childhood readings, their escapist fantasies, works which fit or even create the zeitgeist of the moment, books which were very, very popular in their time -- yet most of them are now more or less forgotten. I think Harry Potter will go the same way: a wonderful memory for a generation, a presence in popular culture for a long while, to be eventually sidelined. Unless of course Rowling comes up with a masterpiece and all her other works become works of interest by association. Another mention, The Lord of the Rings, is most definitely going the way of the classic, if not already one. Classes on the Heroic Epic in American and British literature departments teach it alongside the likes of the Iliad; the last of a great tradition, if you can call it that, and the bridge to contemporary fantasy. As for contemporary authors who I believe are already classics and/or will become in time, I agree with TRL's mentions of Salman Rushdie and V.S. Naipaul. Alongside these novelists I would count, amongst others, Umberto Eco, José Saramago, Orhan Pamuk, Kenzaburo Oe, and the late and great Kurt Vonnegut. Perhaps even Haruki Murakami, whose growing literary power is winning over not only the Japanese public, who always liked him, or the world audience, who are drawn to him from the first, but even the conservative Japanese literary establishment which resisted him. And we're just scratching the barest surface of what there is in contemporary literature, the established figures of worldwide renown. Novels are declining, yes, but it was only relatively recently that it grew so vast and diverse, and the diversity doesn't seem to be dying down any time soon. On the stage, Tom Stoppard has a chance to be considered one of the greatest playwrights of his generation. His masterpiece, Arcadia, is after all the best play of its time. There is one important mention I must make: Gabriel Garcia Marquez's place in the history of literature is universally confirmed. One Hundred Years of Solitude is the most influential novel within the last sixty years. It has already dramatically changed the face of world literature; what more can be asked of a classic? These are all, of course, traditional genres and modes of literature. I think it is more interesting and more difficult to speculate on future classics for, say, video games. How do you judge a video game classic? And to return to Rowling, I ought to give her fair due: "pulp" fiction can, in time, be recognized as classics. Sci-fi was a "ghetto" unworthy of academic literary interest, yet now few but the worst ivory tower snobs would deny the importance of the likes of Arthur C. Clarke or Isaac Asimov. Frank Herbert's Dune may well achieve widespread respect beyond the sci-fi world. The Sherlock Holmes canon is now indisputably a classic, among English literature's greatest set of works, despite its own author viewing it as merely popular stories (his "serious" works didn't quite survive nearly as well in esteem). Maybe Rowling will really have her place, who knows. Last edited by Irenicus; 2012-09-28 at 23:01. |
2012-09-29, 00:18 | Link #38 |
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I think Rowling will have her place. Sure HP is just for fun, but I don't think we have ever seen, or for a very long while will ever see again book launches getting parties like movie and game launches. The massive hysteria that was behind Harry Potter went well beyond all the other "pulp" in this era, or possibly any era.
On the topic of video games and classics. I think a lot of the major games from a one to a few decades ago will be classics by virtue of basically defining their respective genres. Also, with that in mind. I wish to nominate Kanon or Kana Imouto for future classic literature. Assuming that the Visual Novel format doesn't die, I think they are games that really defined the utsuge genre. And I think the Visual Novel format won't die, I think it will proliferate in the near future. With tablets and smartphones, people are half expecting their print media to be interactive, and I don't think its too long before "paper" becomes interactive and most every new novel coming out will be of the visual variety. |
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2012-09-29, 00:36 | Link #40 |
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So, how would you guys rate Michael Crichton ? He writes a while range of subject from drama to sci-fi, always done a lot of reseach on topics in his novels on has a knack for breaking down complex subjects into something understandable.
But his talents lies in mixing fact with fiction and makes everything sounds believable like what he had done with Jurassic Park, Prey and State Of Fear. So should he be placed with all-time great like Clark and Dick ? |
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