2012-09-18, 18:15 | Link #44 |
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I'm sure there's a few dramatic films set in detroit, but I don't know of any action/super-hero/sci-fi films set in the city.
It's almost always LA or New York. The cities in America's "Creamy center" don't tend to get much attention. When was the last time you saw a film set in Heuston, or Chicago? And about the only thing set in Dallas is... Dallas. |
2012-09-20, 13:34 | Link #50 | |
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And yeah, it definitely won't make me reach for my wallet. Sometimes a remake is a good thing, especially if the tools to realize it have made massive leaps ... most times, no. They spend money on the blooey and not much on the writing.
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2012-09-21, 11:17 | Link #52 | |
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Actually I'm promoting piracy I think we indeed need to protect art, but Mass-production isn't art Whistler's mother is worth millions, a remake ...not a god damn penny
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2012-09-22, 18:29 | Link #53 | |
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Someone unknown left this little message for me about my above comment
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Oh wait, they own the rights to make a new one then do the rights of the old one become public domain? Here's the trouble I'm having Is a remake of something 'artistic' worthy of being protected by the same laws as the original work? You cannot improve on a piece of art, only on a Product and on products Patents apply, patents last no longer than 15 years, not a lifetime + 70 years if we remove the ridiculous timelimit for copyrights, artists will have to learn to continue to be fresh and innovative, instead of scoring ONE hit and sitting on their ass the rest of their life (including their families, I point out as an example, the copyright battles concerning the Superman comic character) only THEN will you see art again becoming something not everybody is able to do (or immitate) instead of the massproduced rehashes which are the norm today
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2012-09-22, 19:12 | Link #55 |
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Two quick points, because this section of your post bothers me:
1) The world of entertainment (especially film) is a world of adaptations and established themes/archetypes. The original Robocop was a unique idea, and from it sprang forth several adaptations (a cartoon series, some novels and some comics). Consequently, any future film is ultimately an adaptation of the original idea, and is not a "forgery" any more than Francis Ford Coppola's The Godfather is a forgery of Mario Puzo's The Godfather. Which came first is good for comparison, but does not stop adaptations from being unique pieces of art unto themselves. 2) The original Robocop was released 25 years ago. The last sequel was released 19 years ago. It's not like enough time hasn't passed for a remake or further adaptations. You can dislike this remake/adaptation for many reasons (Vexx mentioned several reasons that I agree with), but to claim is is a "forgery" seems rather weak and disingenuous to both works of art (however vapid they may be). |
2012-09-22, 20:27 | Link #56 | |
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But, would you consider "Mona Lisa II" a valuable addition to the Louvre? would you consider grants given to artists to remake old songs/paintings/movies "money well spent"? or would you call it "weak", "unimaginitive" and "cashing in on other's succes"?
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2012-09-23, 00:42 | Link #57 | ||
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Whether art is the debate, analysis and interpretation of intent; or the appreciation of style and technique; or even the simple appreciation of something beautiful without necessarily knowing why, then yes a "Mona Lisa II" would more than deserve its spot in the Louvre if only to question the 'why' and the possible 'what'. (Personally, this brief discussion reminds me of Orson Welles classic documentary F for Fake, a strange and mostly fake tale of authorship and authenticity in the face of a world that cares for neither.) Quote:
--- That being said, this brief discussion has gone far afield. Whether the new Robocop is a good adaptation is unknown, but I tend to think the director and writer will lose the original humour and satire of the work in favor of a mores simplistic story. |
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2012-09-23, 08:43 | Link #59 | |
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As far as I'm aware, 90% of Mozart's Operas were adaptations of previous works. For instance the Marriage of Figaro was an adaptation of a play written only 2 years earlier. It was the 18th century equivalent of "The Lion King: The Musical" |
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2012-09-23, 10:34 | Link #60 | |
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I suggest you to watch both of his Elite Squad films to get an idea how things will turn out. If everything goes well, this will be his breakthrough film internationally. |
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