2008-08-28, 11:53 | Link #20061 |
TRUE! Lelouch is dead! XD
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Did she force anything on her brother? No? Yeah, didn't think so. Seriously, the comparisons of taking someones free will away with Geass is not the same thing as Nunnally wanting to be near her brother.
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2008-08-28, 11:54 | Link #20062 | |
*frustrated*
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AHAHAHAHA, people here are in heated debate ~
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I'll try to figure it out with my poor Japanese There may be tons of mistakes because I never watched the former.. Louise (the pink haired loli) was trying to summon a familiar but got Zero instead. (Which is a pun because Louise was nicknamed Louise the Zero for she always fails. <- All hail wikipedia. ) And then our Zero began yacking about his Kishidan. Zero: The Black Knights call on! Zero: Where the heck am I? Louise: Who are you? Zero (in a rather arrogant manner): My name is Zero. Call me zero. Kirche: You've done as expected Louise~ Louise the Zero has summoned the familiar named Zero~ (pun) Zero(yacking): Everybody out there, all who desire for the defeat of Britannia and the liberation of Japan should join the Black Knights! Zero(half mocking): Is there not a single warrior who demands to join the Black Knigts? Louise: Seems that nobody is going to be your comrade. Zero: That bold uncle over there...Aren't you joining the Black Knights? I'll make you a cadre at once! Teacher: You are very rude! Which school do you belong to? |
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2008-08-28, 11:54 | Link #20064 | |
C.C, Matsuri and Horo,
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But well, lets just leave it to this. We'r going arguments formed by the same basics over and over again.
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2008-08-28, 11:54 | Link #20065 |
I'll end it before April.
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And again is not that easy. I agree with you that Lelouch do bad thing. We all know that. But for me the "word" evil mean that the person have always bad intend. Is CC have always bad intend and want to control the world ? No. CC want to be loved. She don't want become a powerful empress and destroy everything aroud her so, like (as ?) that her and Lulu will be alone. I mean people for the most part, are not white or black, they are grays. Saiying CC is evil, is saiying that CC is only black and it's not true. CC is like the other people in CG, gray.
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2008-08-28, 11:55 | Link #20066 | |
Senior Member
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Aaaa... i wonder why do I even bother to try... it's futile. Believe what you want... even if it doesn't make any sense at all |
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2008-08-28, 11:56 | Link #20069 | |
Banned
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Location: Land of Dead Cakes!
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Lelouch has the ability to make a decision, those people had no such right. |
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2008-08-28, 11:57 | Link #20070 | |
Licensed Hunter-a-holic
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Actually, now that I think about it, episode 15 made C.C. almost as complex as Lelouch and Suzaku on the whole moral issues. |
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2008-08-28, 11:57 | Link #20071 | |
Lelouch Vi Britannia FTW
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It's Power of Human Race! The power to oppose fate ( death). Think about it as spiral power..... But more cool. And even if it where created by Gods, it's still against them. Or, if you look at it in another POV, they are just bored. |
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2008-08-28, 11:59 | Link #20073 |
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You don't understand what I'm talking about. She is profiting of Lelouch attitude toward her to make it "worse" for him.
Just go see the definition of "evil" before saying "she/he is evil". Last message about this "evil" thing for me! Goodbye! |
2008-08-28, 11:59 | Link #20074 | ||
TRUE! Lelouch is dead! XD
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Free Will: 1. free and independent choice; voluntary decision: You took on the responsibility of your own free will. 2.Philosophy. the doctrine that the conduct of human beings expresses personal choice and is not simply determined by physical or divine forces. See that bolded part? Yeah... Just because Nunnally wants Lelouch near doesn't mean he HAS to be. It is his choice. Quote:
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2008-08-28, 12:01 | Link #20076 |
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Pff... just go learn human psychology and come back after. It's far more complex that just "if he doesn't want blablabla".
Ah, and... you have the free will to kill yourself, no? Oh well, bye. Nuna-chan, C.C. , Shirley, Euphie, Arthur (the cat) etc... they are all evil anyway... EDIT: just a question: If you control people will, so you are evil? Is that it? That just so superficial... Just to point another anime/manga... Gunslinger Girl. ( The walfare agency is an evil organization, yes? ) |
2008-08-28, 12:03 | Link #20079 | ||||||
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so stop personal flame, it is anime discussion, anime discussion does not require any personal attack. i agree that lelouch sacrifices people, but he admits that to defeat evil when you are weaker, you need to be tainted with evil, UNLIKE some1 who will sticks with "the means justifies the end" then ends with hurting what he says that he will protect. regret means stooping, if no stoping then the regret is not present, it is just feeling bad BUT NO REGRET Quote:
last time i know, if some1 really wants to do something against his geass (has the resolve for it), he can do it, just watch euphi scene, or just watch how suzaka stood in face of bismark while his geas was telling him to escape, and it was fully active one. if suzaka wants to die, he can die with thousands of ways, and geass wont prevent, he can cut his hands and legs then tells any1 to shoot him, and i wounder how will the live geass save him, shirly had live geass but she died, the geass just brings the best of current capabilities, but it is interesting that he never tried to suicide. plus he can just quite being soldier, quite killing people for living, it will be the same as he died, but hell no, he will try to get new promotions, he does not want to die before being KoO. best thing for you,to do is to Quote Suzaka line in episode 8 R2 (when soldier tried to assassinate him. suzaka comments by : when i was seeking the punishment of death within my heart, you put a geass on me commanding me to live (then he goes back to show the moment when leluoch gave him the live geass). just read his comment, ...... tragic isnt it ?! but IT IS PURE LIE. what happened at that moment was not suzaka seeking death, because he could die in the whole 17 episodes of season one while no one would care about him, but in that momment he got an ORDER from brittanian officer ( to paralyze / hold lelouch and stay still till they destroy the whole area . here is the REAL scene: officer : major Kururugi, we are about to launch an attack to drive of the terrorist forces, you are to keep zero there. zero: !!! he is ordering his men to die . * suzaka hurries to obey the order* suzaka: i cant accept your method, all i can do is ------- lelouch: you are going to die with me !, do you really want that ! officer: Kururugi, your death wont be in vain ....etc suzaka: A SOLDIER FOLLOWS ORDERS TO THE VERY LAST lelouch: it is nice and easy having some1 else giving the orders? suzaka : wrong, i have decided this myself. lelouch: suzaka, you are going to die? suzaka: IT IS BETTER THAN BREAKING THE RULES. lelouch: you dolt *lelouch gives him the live geass* that was from episode 18 R1, shinsen subs, time : 18:54 to 22 . compare the 2 scenes, and tell me, what you understand, do you realize that the 2 scenes does not fit ?!, do you realize that suzaka is just liar ? and it is good to see that he lied when mentioned that his father wanted to surrender, then zero told him "no, your father was killed because he didnt surrender/ would never surrender" on what bases ? he didnt change a bit, he was following his decision from episode 1 in R1 till episode 20 in R2, only at that point he he acknowldged that he was wrong while zero's ideology is the right thing. Quote:
the white shinigami comes from 2 roots, white : color of the lancelot, shningami from death he causes, = he kills all what comes in the way of his "promotion" do you know that it was BRITTANIA WHOM WAS INVADING EU, suzaka was the one who got on their way, he was the one who charged them, enslaving them into numbers, so in short words, he will do anything for brittania, kill enslave, betray, all for thye orders, hoping for a little promotion. Quote:
so because suzaka was upset for euphi, he totally ignored Nunnly. yeah, yeah, thats right, lets cheer for suzaka for his superub protection of nunely Quote:
lelouch: the very Nunely you speak of has been kidnapped, suzaka, ... do you agree on cease fire ? i want you to help me to save Nunely, together there is nothing we cant do suzaka: you should have joined euphi lelouch that is in the past, you killed your father too, there is time for regret latter suzaka: thats impossible for you, you have betrayed the world for the very last time, so the world has betrayed you, your wish can not come true. *lelouch puts the bomb and asks for suzaka help again* suzaka: everything after this point has nothing to do with you, your very existence is a mistake, you have been shunned by the world, i will save nunley *gun shot* he wanted to get rid of lelouch (promotion time), then "saving nunnley" get after that, but what happened, it was promotion time, and again NO saving for Nunely, suzaka went to get the promotion, and totally ignored Nunly, = he is a liar, he didnt care to save Nunely, OR suzaka knew that V,V kidnapped her, suzaka didnt consider the kidnapping as a threat, so he did nothing, and that shows how much hipocrite he was, (1-he knew that Nunnely and lelouch were on the run from the royal family, but he gave a blind eye because the royal family promotes, 2- he lied to lelouch and used the word "save" while means ignore/ give a blind eye). Quote:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ok, i am getting enough negative reps. i an getting exhausted, and the posts are very away from each other, then no one will ever read them as a whole. guess it is time to stop discussion any character in a spoiler thread. |
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TRUE! Lelouch is dead! XD
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