2006-05-05, 13:49 | Link #61 | |
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Illegal immigrants are following a different path though towards the common destination of a gaining a better life by moving to the US. They are trying to take a shortcut that has little regard for anything other than what they want. They don't respect the existing immigration laws of the country they are traveling to. They don't appear to care what the legal citizens living in the country they are moving into think about what they are doing. Instead it looks like they this is the situation...you (the US government) can't find us (the illegal immigrants) to kick us out, there are millions of us already in your country with more coming in each day because your border security has been such a joke, we've been living and working here for years and in many cases are able to pocket all of our earnings without having to pay any state or federal taxes on our gross income because we are often paid in cash for our labor, and we can hurt your economy if you propose legislation that would deny our demand for amnesty and citizenship now (or seriously attempt to block others like us from entering your country illegally in the future and gaining citizenship then). Others may disagree, but to me that doesn't seem right, fair, acceptable, and or a few dozen other words I can think of to apply to this. It like a slap in the face to legal immigrants who came to america and worked within the existing immigration system at the time of their arrival to become naturalized citizens. |
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2006-05-05, 14:02 | Link #62 |
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Illegals complaining about mistreatment make my blood boil.
There are much more qualified poor people out there and they DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF JUMPING A BORDER. I think it is absolutely ridiculous that people with PHDs have to play 'the green card lottery', while some border jumper standing around at Home Depot gets it by standing around at Home Depot for a few years ... You want to talk about equal opportunity ... how about you start importing a person who can't jump the border for every person that does. Let's see ... my dad has a PHD ... learned english before coming to the U.S. ... got a work visa and was invited to work in the U.S. He's paid all his taxes just like any American. He's not cutting bushes ... something a fucking teenager could master... instead he's developing wireless radios that the air-force is looking to buy (as well as a bunch of U.S. agricultural companies.) I can give you a paragraph on how poor we were too. Also ... how our relatives are still poor, don't want to be poor ... can do way more than bathroom cleaning ... but can't jump a border to do it. Instead they are stuck in an ex soviet country with about as much job opportunity as mexico for an education driven job. Last edited by Lexander; 2006-05-05 at 14:46. |
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On the subject of illegal immigrants, did anyone see The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada with Tommy Lee Jones? It's a rather recent independant film, but that movie was really heartbreaking and showed the hardships of these people. |
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2006-05-05, 16:40 | Link #64 | |
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2006-05-06, 11:07 | Link #68 | |
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No, he is saying that his father, whom worked hard to become a intelligent, worthy addition to society has to work hard and go through all teh trials and tribulations and costs to become a contributive member of American society. While some asshole who slips through a chainlink fence can do it for free, and have a much easier time when hes in the country. I is perfectly understandable for anyone who has had to deal with LEGAL immigration into the united states to be absolutely pissed off at the boarder jumpers. The boarder jumpers essentially spit in the face of everyone who is working hard to earn and deserve their place in American citizenry. |
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2006-05-06, 11:23 | Link #69 | |
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2006-05-06, 14:10 | Link #70 | |
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Anyway, this is just intended as a general example of what happens when an indigenous population in a country does not have or fails to enforce a system of immigration laws which imposes restrictions on the flow of foreigners into their country. The indigenous population can become outnumbered and they can then find themselves placed at a political, economic, and social disadvantage of their own making. |
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2006-05-06, 15:36 | Link #73 |
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Illegal immigrants provide a lot of the basic services america uses. Ever used a taxi in a city? Ever had a maid? yada yada yada. You get products/services cheap because of cheap labour. Then bitch when they want to go live somewhere nice.
They get to be you're economic slaves and cut the price of your shoes in 1/5th but you don't want them in your back yard? America was built on immigration, an anti-immigrant america is like an anti-god christian. PS: Is it terribly wrong of me to admit I read this as "Immigrants Robots" when I first saw the thread |
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And I'm sure they'd love to have a brand new high end sports car. But you don't just shrug it off if they steal one. Same principle. |
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A foreign based company with facilities in the US hiring illegal aliens here to improve their profits...now that's ironic. Quote:
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They want to complain about being here ... fine ... I know plenty of poor people that would take their place legally, do a better job and not complain about it at the end of the day. Even if you finally save up for a ticket you still have to play the green card lottery in order to come here. The percentage of winners is tiny. You could get lucky and get a work visa, but that usually doesn't happen because there is only a handful of American companies branching off in Armenia. Like I said, you don't have to be from a South American country to live a hard life and want to be in this country. Why do you think education automatically means rich? Yeah ... maybe in the U.S. it does ... that's why people want to be here so bad. If nobody hires you, you can't use your diploma right? And I just can't imagine anywhere in the U.S. being worse than what we used to go through. If you have electricity, running water and less than 7 people living in a small 2 bedroom apartment ... you're already doing better. We are not rich now either. Lower middle class is where we are, despite our best efforts. 3 family members workings fulltime and 1 in high school. Just because we don't make minimum wage doesn't mean we don't work as much or want it any less. There is really nothing to march about. And as far as helping the poor country out ... That's up to the immigrants, not the United States. Right now I'm working in a startup with a branch in Armenia. We have the management and manufacturing in the silicon valley, but the software and some of the hardware design is done by a team over there. We have more employees working in Armenia than in California. A small portion of the American money is finding it's way back. Say guys like my dad stayed in Armenia ... their brains would have gone to complete waste because our country isn't developed enough to give them an opportunity to do this. Who would finance this? Everyone ends up as a winner. I just don't understand why you wouldn't want more legal immigrants here? We waited 8 years and had to deal with all this INS nonsense until we got a green card. (my application got lost somewhere in the process and INS delayed us ... oh a few years) |
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Now, I hope I've made myself clearer to everyone. And Lexander, I'm sure you've gone through hardships, but several people like you have generalised their examples of hardships through legal immigration and made it the reason why illegal immigrants shouldn't be here and "have it easier". I don't think they have it easier. And, lastly, I honestly believe this movement has more to do with something deeper in the US immigrated population (both legal and illegal) than with just the currently under scrutiny Immigration Law which is in the talks. To believe that it has only to do with that is in my opinion erroneous. |
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