Utawarerumono: Itsuwari no Kamen - Game Discussion

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by Krunk

Hm, I still find it hard to believe that he didn't have any difficulties trying to get them to do what he wanted.

Did they just latch onto him and accept his orders? No one tried to take advantage of his knowledge or anything?

Anyone who opposes him would be killed. its a simple as an enemy nation sighted then he would send the Akuruka to destroy them.

[Krunk]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Anyone who opposes him would be killed. its a simple as an enemy nation sighted then he would send the Akuruka to destroy them.

Mm, I meant before he became the emperor. Or rather, before Yamato was founded.

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by Krunk

Mm, I meant before he became the emperor. Or rather, before Yamato was founded.

Their civilization should have been in a very low level when he met them. And in their eyes he used "magic" to impress them.
The emperor also doesn't think that highly of Decoys, he only helped them a little like they were pets to him, and don't hesitate to get rid of them whenever they caused trouble for him.
But the big thing is he got so disappointed with how they acted with the technology he gave them, so he disappeared from them for a while. And when he returned their civilization had boomed, and he was seen as a God.
So all he did was he planted unknowingly the idea of him being the god to them and then let it grow while he was gone.

[sona-nyl]

The Decoys are also programmed to like humans so that might have helped him out a bit.

[Krunk]

Originally Posted by LROlsson

Their civilization should have been in a very low level when he met them. And in their eyes he used "magic" to impress them.
The emperor also doesn't think that highly of Decoys, he only helped them a little like they were pets to him, and don't hesitate to get rid of them whenever they caused trouble for him.
But the big thing is he got so disappointed with how they acted with the technology he gave them, so he disappeared from them for a while. And when he returned their civilization had boomed, and he was seen as a God.
So all he did was he planted unknowingly the idea of him being the god to them and then let it grow while he was gone.

Did they start killing each other with the tech?

Also, I noticed that not every general took part in the battle against those nomads. Specifically, only Raikou, Dekopo, and the four masked generals participated. Why were the others absent?

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by Krunk

Did they start killing each other with the tech?

Also, I noticed that not every general took part in the battle against those nomads. Specifically, only Raikou, Dekopo, and the four masked generals participated. Why were the others absent?

Replayed that part a little quickly.
What happened was the emperor left the facility to look for humans, found only Decoys.
He taught the Decoys how to write, count, hunt, create fields and so on. While it was fun, in the end he thought of them while being people, they weren't humans.
He couldn't live together with them so he went back into the facility and was there for over 200 years.
During those years, the emperor tried to find a way to turn the slimes back into people.
But he felt like he couldn't progress any further and decided to return to the surface in order to find other facilities.
But when he came out, he was surprised to find that there were countries existing that fought war against each others.
In order to find help to find other shelters, he gave out things from the facility as reward, such as food.
But due to what he taught them earlier, they became greedy and asked for more and more.
They began to even steal things from the emperor and made those things useless since they didn't understand how it worked. They began to fight each others to have monopoly on certain things.
The Emperor then snapped and threw away his feelings towards the Decoy and decided to get rid of anyone that was only in his way.
So the Emperor used his knowledge and technology to conquer them and create his own army.
Since Decoy was made to like humans, the plans went far easier then what the emperor expected.

Can't remember, probably because they weren't needed or they have other duties they couldn't throw away at the moment.

[sona-nyl]

Originally Posted by LROlsson

Can't remember, probably because they weren't needed or they have other duties they couldn't throw away at the moment.

Pretty sure it's a combination of both. Uoshisu manages the other generals so he wouldn't have a part to play in the fighting anyway. Tokifusa's main forte is protecting cities so he wouldn't have a part to play there either. Soyankekuru is in charge of the seas and the war with Uzuurussha was a land war.

I think Oozen had some armies of his own but Kujuuri is in the west while Uzuurussha is in the north. It would have been pretty dumb of Yamato to get him involved and leave the west vulnerable when there was pretty much no risk of them losing against Uzuurussha in the first place.

[Krunk]

Originally Posted by LROlsson

He taught the Decoys how to write, count, hunt, create fields and so on.
...
In order to find help to find other shelters, he gave out things from the facility as reward, such as food.

I think I recall Mikazuchi being given some fruit from the emperor's garden/greenhouse/whatever.

I get that technology as a reward would be amazing, but food? Is this supposed to be some genetically modified food that's made to taste way better than anything that the Decoys can make?

[sona-nyl]

Originally Posted by Krunk

I think I recall Mikazuchi being given some fruit from the emperor's garden/greenhouse/whatever.

I get that technology as a reward would be amazing, but food? Is this supposed to be some genetically modified food that's made to taste way better than anything that the Decoys can make?

Pretty sure that it was some kind of exotic/rare fruit that you usually wouldn't be able to get. A luxury item basically.

[Krunk]

More questions-

1) When did the emperor create Honoka and Anju? Was it relatively recently, or are they long lived like him?

2) Were the oni twins also created, or were they naturally born?

3) I thought that the original Hakuoro mask copies looked almost identical to the original. Any reason why (or how) there's a new look?

4) What's the backstory on Yakutowaruto?

5) What was Tuskuru aiming for by sending Aruru and Kamyu as envoys to Yamato? Peace treaty, alliance, whatever?

6) Was Raikou actually plotting to succeed the emperor at some point?

[sona-nyl]

Originally Posted by Krunk

More questions-

1) When did the emperor create Honoka and Anju? Was it relatively recently, or are they long lived like him?

2) Were the oni twins also created, or were they naturally born?

3) I thought that the original Hakuoro mask copies looked almost identical to the original. Any reason why (or how) there's a new look?

4) What's the backstory on Yakutowaruto?

5) What was Tuskuru aiming for by sending Aruru and Kamyu as envoys to Yamato? Peace treaty, alliance, whatever?

6) Was Raikou actually plotting to succeed the emperor at some point?

1-2, we don't know. Though I'd personally guess that Anju isn't older than she looks and was created quite recently. No idea for Honoka. As for the twins: the emperor doesn't seem to regard them as his own daughters so if they were born naturally he probably isn't the father.

3) We never actually see what he copies look like in the game but it's pretty unlikely that these ones are the same. The emperor hadn't been to Tuskur so he wouldn't have access to them. He probably created them himself using the data Haku got for him.

4) A really famous swordsman. During the war with Uzuurussha his (adopted) daughter Shinonon was taken hostage, forcing him to fight for the Uzuurussha side.

5) I think it was officially a good relationship and a new ally. There might have been some other hidden motives though.

6) He's planning something but I don't remember them ever saying what.

[Godslayer]

Originally Posted by Krunk

More questions-

5) What was Tuskuru aiming for by sending Aruru and Kamyu as envoys to Yamato? Peace treaty, alliance, whatever?

Pretty sure they also rejected the Emperor's proposal to explore the ruins in Tsukuru in that envoy visit which triggers the whole invasion thing.

[bahamut zero]

Just a question regarding episode 7: Why did Haku get the shivers from the big musculus guy withe the mask?

[Godslayer]

Originally Posted by bahamut zero

Just a question regarding episode 7: Why did Haku get the shivers from the big musculus guy withe the mask?

It's just the murderous aura Vurai has all the time. They have never met at all.

Spoiler for end game:

Also some kind of foreshadowing for the last boss.

[Krunk]

The recent episode got me thinking.

What makes Atui and Rurutie princesses? Being the daughters of important people? Does being a general count as royalty?

And what is the point of having so many princesses running around anyway? Do they serve some important function to Yamato?

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by Krunk

The recent episode got me thinking.

What makes Atui and Rurutie princesses? Being the daughters of important people? Does being a general count as royalty?

And what is the point of having so many princesses running around anyway? Do they serve some important function to Yamato?

Yamato is made out of several smaller countries, and some generals are Ouro(emperor) of those countries. Rurutie and Atui's fathers are Ouros of two of those countries and thus they are princesses.
And the reason why the there are princess there in the capital is for two main reason, one is for them to learn things, and the second is for them to be hostages.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Krunk

The recent episode got me thinking.

What makes Atui and Rurutie princesses? Being the daughters of important people? Does being a general count as royalty?

And what is the point of having so many princesses running around anyway? Do they serve some important function to Yamato?

Krunk, try to spend a bit of time immersing yourself in the history and culture of japan form anime come form instead of just getting all your info form anime.

The Word princess has different different connotation between European society and East-Asian society.
Daughters of Feudal lords in Japan are call Princess. Daughters and unmarried sisters of the Emperor are call Imperial Princess.

China is similar in that Daughters and Unmarried Sisters of the Emperor are call Imperial Princess. While only Daughters of Grand Dukes and Dukes are call Princess.

In China's case Imperial Princess and Princess are also written differently. But google translation will translate it all as princess.

[sona-nyl]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Krunk, try to spend a bit of time immersing yourself in the history and culture of japan form anime come form instead of just getting all your info form anime.

The Word princess has different different connotation between European society and East-Asian society.
Daughters of Feudal lords in Japan are call Princess. Daughters and unmarried sisters of the Emperor are call Imperial Princess.

China is similar in that Daughters and Unmarried Sisters of the Emperor are call Imperial Princess. While only Daughters of Grand Dukes and Dukes are call Princess.

In China's case Imperial Princess and Princess are also written differently. But google translation will translate it all as princess.

It's written (and pronounced) differently in Japanese as well the word they use for Atui/Rurutie is 姫 while they use 皇女 for Anju. Weirdly they use 皇子 instead of 王子(same pronunciation for both) for Kiuru when the former is usually used for imperial princes. Though 王子 only refers to actual princes while 姫 can be used for both actual princesses and daughters of nobles.

Rururite and Atui are actual princesses though, not just daughters of nobles/lords.

[KerrBlank]

What episode do you guys think things will get serious?

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by KerrBlank

What episode do you guys think things will get serious?

The first war will probably begin around episode 13.
The last characters that needs to be introduced(IIRC) before that will be introduced in episode 12 according to the episode titles for the first cour.
9 will be about Kamyu and Aruru.
10 will probably be about the escorting Yuri out from the capital and/or Atui falling for the conman.
11 will probably be about the fake kidnapping of Anju.
12 will probably be about Haku being given the twins.