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xx89 · 2012-04-06, 03:52

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

no, i mean who is Tom Shakespear in the History? did kawakami got the name wrong? if so how in the world did he get that wrong and how did it get past the editors?

the man has been refer to as William, Willie, Will and even Bill but i never heard of anyone refer to him as Tom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Shakespeare

here you go... stuff on Thomas Shakespeare

Marcus H. · 2012-04-06, 07:28

^ He's born on 1966. He can't possibly be a historical candidate.

xx89 · 2012-04-06, 07:50

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

^ He's born on 1966. He can't possibly be a historical candidate.

maybe, but if you google Thomas Shakespeare that's pretty much who you'll get

Marcus H. · 2012-04-06, 09:31

However, if you take a look at the other members of England's Supreme Federation and the Student Council, Thomas Shakespeare of 1966 doesn't fit in.

[12] Chancellor and Student Council President: Elizabeth - Queen of England from 1558-1603
[10] Vice-Chancellor: Robert Dudley - Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester
[10] Student Council Vice-President: William Cecil - William Cecil, 1st Baron Burghley
[9] Secretary: Ben Jonson - probably Ben Jonson
[8] Assistant Secretary: Nicholas Bacon - Sir Nicholas Bacon
[7] Treasurer: Charles Howard - Charles Howard, 1st Earl of Nottingham
[6] Thomas Shakespeare
[5-1] Francis Drake - Sir Francis Drake
[5-2] John Hawkins - Admiral Sir John Hawkins
[5-3] Thomas Cavendish - Sir Thomas Cavendish
[4] Grace O'Malley - Gráinne Ní Mháille
[3] Christopher Hatton - Sir Christopher Hatton
[2] F. Walsingham - Sir Francis Walsingham
[1] Walter Raleigh - Sir Walter Raleigh

Most of these people are related to Queen Elizabeth I, whether they are among her favourites, politicians at the time of her reign, or navy-men who participated on the battle against the Spanish Armada (whose main admirals would have their roles taken by key members of Tres Espana). I'm pretty sure someone would be able to sort out why Thomas Shakespeare was named as such, unlike the mystery behind Miriam Poqou's name.

xx89 · 2012-04-06, 12:21

The way I see it, maybe he was probably based from William Shakespeare but with under a different name... since it seems to be the case with Toori and the gang anyway (and IIRC, you were the one to post the name inheritance for them at page 30)

Because historically speaking, William Shakespeare would fit the lineup like a glove

Xellos-_^ · 2012-04-06, 12:25

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Originally Posted by xx89

The way I see it, maybe he was probably based from William Shakespeare but with under a different name... since it seems to be the case with Toori and the gang anyway (and IIRC, you were the one to post the name inheritance for them at page 30)

Because historically speaking, William Shakespeare would fit the lineup like a glove

but why not just use William Shakespeare?

Marcus H. · 2012-04-06, 19:07

That's a question that Thomas might answer herself in the anime series... or when someone reaches that part of the light novels.

zerodragon · 2012-04-10, 21:42

I have a questions

Spoiler for about horizon:

Marcus H. · 2012-04-10, 22:43

Horizon is the nuker glass cannon of Musashi. She uses the Mortal Sin Armaments, and she is the only one — aside from the Eight Great Dragon Lords — who can use them.

Based on the anime series, her best and only fight is when she used Lype Katathlipse against the Regno Unito, destroying it in one shot.

Znail · 2012-04-11, 02:39

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

but why not just use William Shakespeare?

Whatever book they are using as Testament is not very accurate as their are plenty of errors in the history recreation as it is. People that should be dead are still alive, countries left out that played major roles etc. A wrong first name is minor compared to those :P

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-04-12, 10:20

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Horizon is the nuker glass cannon of Musashi. She uses the Mortal Sin Armaments, and she is the only one — aside from the Eight Great Dragon Lords — who can use them.

Based on the anime series, her best and only fight is when she used Lype Katathlipse against the Regno Unito, destroying it in one shot.

She used Maska Orgi in 4C

Didn't have as good results though....

Should also mention that she's the OS for the Armaments

xx89 · 2012-04-12, 14:50

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

That's a question that Thomas might answer herself in the anime series... or when someone reaches that part of the light novels.

more reason for us to watch out for the 2nd Season of the Horizon anime series

Marcus H. · 2012-04-12, 22:27

What does the Maska Orge do, by the way?

All I know is:
> Steisos Porneia - creates a spherical area that disables all active abilities and prohibits the use of abilities while inside the area. Is in the form of a staff. Owned by Pope Innocentius.
> Lype Katathlipse - can destroy anything that has its image reflected onto it, and can cause a similar effect to object hit by its beam. Is in the form of a gunblade. Was owned by Muneshige Tachibana; retrieved by Horizon.
> Akedia Katathlipse - "binds" a certain part of the human body that the enemy dejects. Is in the form of a longsword. Owned by Queen Juana II.
> Aspiza Phylargia - Is in the form of a shield.
> One of the Logismoi Oplo is in the form of a longbow. (Is that the Maska Orge?)

Marcus H. · 2012-05-03, 22:29

By the way, with the Second Season fast approaching, I would work on the wiki's terminology articles. I need some help translating from the atwiki of Horizon, and I'd also like to ask which terms would you want to be expanded first (as long as it is covered by Season 1).

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-05-04, 09:48

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

What does the Maska Orge do, by the way?

> One of the Logismoi Oplo is in the form of a longbow. (Is that the Maska Orge?)

Yes. Maska Orgi is a bow. It is basically powered by the wielder's wrath. Stronger the wrath is, the stronger the shot.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2012-05-13, 06:28

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Originally Posted by Znail

Whatever book they are using as Testament is not very accurate as their are plenty of errors in the history recreation as it is. People that should be dead are still alive, countries left out that played major roles etc. A wrong first name is minor compared to those :P

Actually, William Shakespeare is NOT the "official spelling" of the historical figure. In fact, there wasn't one. Back in his time, English as a language was still evolving, as such we end up finding out that his name was spelled multiple ways in the documents we have left.

It might be the author's joke to give the character in Horizon a different spelling again.

http://shakespeareauthorship.com/name1.html
Historical spellings when he was alive:
Shakespeare
Shakespere
Shakespear (What Horizon used.)
Shakspeare
Shackspeare
Shakspere
Shackespeare
Shackspere
Shackespere
Shaxspere
Shexpere
Shakspe~
Shaxpere
Shagspere
Shaksper
Shaxpeare
Shaxper
Shake-speare
Shakespe
Shakp

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-05-20, 11:44

And despite her many impressive victories so far, Futayo still can't get the better of Kimi....The power of bro-con is strong indeed

Marcus H. · 2012-05-20, 19:43

Well, Kimi appears to be made specifically to counter Futayo's abilities.

EagleBlue · 2012-05-21, 00:44

Where did you find that info?

Marcus H. · 2012-05-21, 02:09

It's not that it's "official info".

So Futayo's abilities revolve around "increasing attack speed". In in-universe terms, she uses the movements of her spear to further increase her attack speed, creating a condition wherein a battle can be easily won when she starts swinging her spear around.

This can be countered by Kimi's Flower of the Summit concept. While dancing, Kimi creates numerous mini-shields around her in an astounding speed, allowing a majority of Futayo's attacks to be blocked easily. It creates a stalemate for the two of them — sort of like an Immovable Object against an Unstoppable Force.

However, Futayo is far from becoming an Unstoppable Force.

Also, Kimi's ability is powered not only by her performance, but also by "audience impact". Remember when Kimi asked if Futayo enjoyed her performance? Futayo already stopped using her weapon at that time, and if not for her lack of response, Futayo might have a worse defeat that what she had experienced since saying "Yes" would have fueled Kimi's ability even more. Also, weapon stops moving = attack speed buff wears off. And Kimi is still standing at the end of the battle.

Also, Futayo using Tonbokiri to slice Kimi is like trying to peel through several layers of an onion since Kimi hates her name so much that she makes up fake names and she wears and throws them away like clothes.

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2012-04-06, 09:31	Link #644
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	However, if you take a look at the other members of England's Supreme Federation and the Student Council, Thomas Shakespeare of 1966 doesn't fit in. [12] Chancellor and Student Council President: Elizabeth - Queen of England from 1558-1603 [10] Vice-Chancellor: Robert Dudley - Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester [10] Student Council Vice-President: William Cecil - William Cecil, 1st Baron Burghley [9] Secretary: Ben Jonson - probably Ben Jonson [8] Assistant Secretary: Nicholas Bacon - Sir Nicholas Bacon [7] Treasurer: Charles Howard - Charles Howard, 1st Earl of Nottingham [6] Thomas Shakespeare [5-1] Francis Drake - Sir Francis Drake [5-2] John Hawkins - Admiral Sir John Hawkins [5-3] Thomas Cavendish - Sir Thomas Cavendish [4] Grace O'Malley - Gráinne Ní Mháille [3] Christopher Hatton - Sir Christopher Hatton [2] F. Walsingham - Sir Francis Walsingham [1] Walter Raleigh - Sir Walter Raleigh Most of these people are related to Queen Elizabeth I, whether they are among her favourites, politicians at the time of her reign, or navy-men who participated on the battle against the Spanish Armada (whose main admirals would have their roles taken by key members of Tres Espana). I'm pretty sure someone would be able to sort out why Thomas Shakespeare was named as such, unlike the mystery behind Miriam Poqou's name. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

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xx89 Do the Kyubey Dance ~ ♫ Join Date: Apr 2011 Age: 34	The way I see it, maybe he was probably based from William Shakespeare but with under a different name... since it seems to be the case with Toori and the gang anyway (and IIRC, you were the one to post the name inheritance for them at page 30) Because historically speaking, William Shakespeare would fit the lineup like a glove __________________

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Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	That's a question that Thomas might answer herself in the anime series... or when someone reaches that part of the light novels. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

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zerodragon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009	I have a questions Spoiler for about horizon: does she sit on the sidelines or does she get in the fights herself. if she does, what been her best fight.

2012-04-10, 22:43	Link #649
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Horizon is the nuker glass cannon of Musashi. She uses the Mortal Sin Armaments, and she is the only one — aside from the Eight Great Dragon Lords — who can use them. Based on the anime series, her best and only fight is when she used Lype Katathlipse against the Regno Unito, destroying it in one shot. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2012-04-12, 22:27	Link #653
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	What does the Maska Orge do, by the way? All I know is: > Steisos Porneia - creates a spherical area that disables all active abilities and prohibits the use of abilities while inside the area. Is in the form of a staff. Owned by Pope Innocentius. > Lype Katathlipse - can destroy anything that has its image reflected onto it, and can cause a similar effect to object hit by its beam. Is in the form of a gunblade. Was owned by Muneshige Tachibana; retrieved by Horizon. > Akedia Katathlipse - "binds" a certain part of the human body that the enemy dejects. Is in the form of a longsword. Owned by Queen Juana II. > Aspiza Phylargia - Is in the form of a shield. > One of the Logismoi Oplo is in the form of a longbow. (Is that the Maska Orge?) __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

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Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	By the way, with the Second Season fast approaching, I would work on the wiki's terminology articles. I need some help translating from the atwiki of Horizon, and I'd also like to ask which terms would you want to be expanded first (as long as it is covered by Season 1). __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

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Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	And despite her many impressive victories so far, Futayo still can't get the better of Kimi....The power of bro-con is strong indeed __________________

2012-05-20, 19:43	Link #658
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Well, Kimi appears to be made specifically to counter Futayo's abilities. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

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2012-05-21, 02:09	Link #660
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	It's not that it's "official info". So Futayo's abilities revolve around "increasing attack speed". In in-universe terms, she uses the movements of her spear to further increase her attack speed, creating a condition wherein a battle can be easily won when she starts swinging her spear around. This can be countered by Kimi's Flower of the Summit concept. While dancing, Kimi creates numerous mini-shields around her in an astounding speed, allowing a majority of Futayo's attacks to be blocked easily. It creates a stalemate for the two of them — sort of like an Immovable Object against an Unstoppable Force. However, Futayo is far from becoming an Unstoppable Force. Also, Kimi's ability is powered not only by her performance, but also by "audience impact". Remember when Kimi asked if Futayo enjoyed her performance? Futayo already stopped using her weapon at that time, and if not for her lack of response, Futayo might have a worse defeat that what she had experienced since saying "Yes" would have fueled Kimi's ability even more. Also, weapon stops moving = attack speed buff wears off. And Kimi is still standing at the end of the battle. Also, Futayo using Tonbokiri to slice Kimi is like trying to peel through several layers of an onion since Kimi hates her name so much that she makes up fake names and she wears and throws them away like clothes. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.