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Battler must either make Battler's body completely vanish, or he must rescind his placement of the letter and say the Witch Side never made that move. He has no other recourse. (This is why people need to pay attention to non-red words.) Quote:
Kanon is also Yasu, and <apparently> disappeared from the closed room on that basis. Quote:
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2011-02-01, 18:06 | Link #21844 |
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And in Umineko, Higurashi is only a novel. Your comparison doesn't work in the slightest. Yasu wasn't a witch who had magical powers to rewrite the world, she was an incestual bastard child who played elaborate games of pretend to escape her shitty life.
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2011-02-01, 18:44 | Link #21849 |
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I fail to see your argument here. As Judoh pointed out, Ryukishi intended to write Umineko and Higurashi in different ways. So you saying that Umineko MUST have a supernatural element and therefore you can say Yasu is a witch doesn't really hold water. And while you may not like it, Yasu is the product of an incestuous and illegitimate relationship. She is a bastard-child, and I'm afraid you're going to have to deal with it.
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2011-02-01, 19:39 | Link #21850 | |
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so if you think that yasu didn't become a witch on ep7,how can you explain the yasu and shannon tea party ? |
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2011-02-01, 19:46 | Link #21851 | |
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The whole Tea Party is made up in her mind, and cannot be considered actual events. There was never any magic, and the whole "Witch Yasu" was simply made up inside her head. |
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2011-02-01, 19:47 | Link #21852 |
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She was born out of wedlock. She's a bastard.
Her life was shitty. Pretty much no one loved her, she never did anything with her life. Unless, of course, you're willing to argue that "Yasu had an okay life, but she was willing to die anyways while killing the people around her, because that's what people with okay lives do" |
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"Shitty" describes a life of poor, undesirable, and pitiable circumstances. If you can't deal with swear words, you're free to go back to third grade. Quote:
Goodness gracious, are you serious?!
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2011-02-01, 19:52 | Link #21854 |
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If you're talking about when Shannon entered the Golden Land... it's either a dream, a metaphor for her consciousness, (or unconsciousness for that matter) during her 'oh I am one yet confused as hell' alter-ego times...
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2011-02-01, 19:54 | Link #21855 |
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I'll agree with you that sometimes I think Aura should tone down his/her aggressive language, but lets be honest here. Bastard is the term used to describe exactly what Yasu is. In the context, its not a "swear word."
And how would I explain the Yasu/Shanon tea party? A discussion in her mind between her (Yasu's) different aspects. One part of Yasu wishes to be free and terrorize the mansion as a "witch" because of how terrible her life is while the other (Yasu) realizes that there are joys even in her simple life as a maid that she doesn't want to abandon (love, Battler). And to take it a step further, she's almost always sleeping when the tea parties occur, so hell, chalk it off as a dream if that fits your fancy more.
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2011-02-01, 20:02 | Link #21856 |
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Shannon seems to start as an imaginary rolemodel/ friend and gradually become what Yasu thinks of herself as as she improves her abilities as a maid. That'd what it means when the human Yasu "dissappears", I think.
Although I wouldn't think the fantasy bits are limited purely to dreams (she's probably also pretty delusional). |
2011-02-01, 20:08 | Link #21858 | |
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I don't know, every time she enters Beatrice's Golden Utopia is when she's apparently asleep, as she gets out of bed after every session. I don't think she actually buys into any of her crap; she's too coherent and talented at weaving these lies and stories; she's just very, very, very elaborate and engrossed in her personal fantasies and pretending, like a Live Action Role Player with no social life outside of it.
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At the very least, the incest thing is something we're beat over the head with; saying the possibility isn't there and that it must definitely be Alternate Possibility X is just denial.
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2011-02-01, 21:19 | Link #21859 | |
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so thats your explaination about their tea party.im ok with it,i also think it that way. there's still something you can't explain without magic,can you explain how yasu take berune's key from the key ring then put it into berune's locker? |
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2011-02-01, 21:21 | Link #21860 |
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I can offer one explanation. Yasu already pulled the key off her own master keychain and put it in Berune's locker in advance. She then swapped her incomplete keychain for Berune's complete one while her back was turned (which would take very little time and make very little noise).
Note that the setup means that Yasu wouldn't've needed that specific key on the way in, since Berune opened the room. |
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