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[Chaos2Frozen]

The 'Dragon King'; the 'chief' or 'Head' Dragon, is called the [Pendragon], or Pen Draig.


History-wise, it's also the name of several traditional Kings of the Britons, but I doubt that's related. In fact, I don't think it's anymore than flavor text.

[Breidaluk]

Britons?
Well, Aleister told fiamma that the invisible thing could be something that he already knew so it is problably something from the aeon of osiris,...problably(¬¬).

[Karna]

I doubt Aleister would have any interest in it if it were from The Age of Osiris.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Like I've said people; I don't think the 'King' part is anymore than just flavor text- To make the whole thing more impressive.

[Breidaluk]

unless is something that has the potential to change to the aeon of horus. The thing inside Touma is described as something invisible so is something that can't be seen neither felt by others. Fiamma problably felt danger because he was at a level where equal to the son of god, while izzard just was scared of the form that it took, and we can't forget that in WW3, when fiamma was fusing IB to his own Holy Right IB was still with him so that can prove that IB and the invisible power are two different things. Well, its my opinion.

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Like I've said people; I don't think the 'King' part is anymore than just flavor text- To make the whole thing more impressive.

I recently "re-thought" this based on asian mythology (I was reading some traveling a few days ago about temples and stuff), basically saying this like "the palace of the Dragon King" or "the palace of the Dragon God" were valid since they were close enough symbology wise (at least on the things that I was reading); if we go by the mystical jargon of the series we have that Dragon's are for about as broken as Angels, and that by "God" or "King" we have that it's just cheaper than regular dragons. This is, trusting the "clues" that have been thrown around and not taking them as Irony for part of the author. I don't think that essentially a dragon has to be in there, but it's more like a clue about what is on there hierarchy wise is as cheapo as a dragon.

BTW, I suppose that people noticed that Volume 8 is one of the shortest novels content wise, right? Kamachi kinda tried to make that up by adding several extra pages (more than 20) with designs about the first 8 novels, for what I have noticed many of them haven't been uploaded to most sites that have info about Index (I think that even rainbow spectrum doesn't has some of those designs), one of the ones that caught my attention was :



The head is super big for some reason that made me lol

Originally Posted by Breidaluk

Britons?
Well, Aleister told fiamma that the invisible thing could be something that he already knew so it is problably something from the aeon of osiris,...problably(¬¬).

Tube dude said that Fiamma should understand what it was if he stopped looking at it from Christianity point of view, so it's unlikely that it's from the current christian age (Osiris, right?).

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For the record, Liberal Arts City SS chapter 2 is at 70% now.

[I_am_Kami]

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[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Okashira

I kinda have been waiting long to mention this, but the novel refers to the Dragon head as "Dragon King" ( 竜王 , Ryuu-Oh). Do you people remember how Tatsugami (Otohime's last name) was written as Dragon god? ( 竜神 , Ryuu-Jin ), that fact really struck me as odd. BTW, I remember the PSP game referring the dragon as something else (I think it was Dragon Strike).

In other words, thanks to the Ping we now can have some Aureolus for breakfast. Thus only the epilogue is left till the main novels are completed, and it's nothing but fitting for Ping himself to bring this circle to a (temporary) close.

I love the front selection for Touma's psycho mode.

On a note:
Dragon King is used as well on Dragon Breath which is also read as Killing Breath of the Dragon King.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by I_am_Kami

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New designs ?

Originally Posted by Okashira

I recently "re-thought" this based on asian mythology (I was reading some traveling a few days ago about temples and stuff), basically saying this like "the palace of the Dragon King" or "the palace of the Dragon God" were valid since they were close enough symbology wise (at least on the things that I was reading); if we go by the mystical jargon of the series we have that Dragon's are for about as broken as Angels, and that by "God" or "King" we have that it's just cheaper than regular dragons. This is, trusting the "clues" that have been thrown around and not taking them as Irony for part of the author. I don't think that essentially a dragon has to be in there, but it's more like a clue about what is on there hierarchy wise is as cheapo as a dragon.

Maahh~ I just don't want to overthink it base on only one word; Whether it's the Dragon King, Dragon God, Dragon Chief, or Head Dragon- it's simply used to symbolize a great power.

Originally Posted by Okashira

BTW, I suppose that people noticed that Volume 8 is one of the shortest novels content wise, right? Kamachi kinda tried to make that up by adding several extra pages (more than 20) with designs about the first 8 novels, for what I have noticed many of them haven't been uploaded to most sites that have info about Index (I think that even rainbow spectrum doesn't has some of those designs), one of the ones that caught my attention was :

The head is super big for some reason that made me lol

Well the text said that it was about 2m long; that's more or less a grown adult male size, and far larger than Touma who is only... what, 165cm?

Interestingly, I've noticed this before but I wanted to wait for the translation, the [Pendragon] (Yes, that's what I'm calling it now since Pendragon literally means 'Head Dragon') is made visible through the shape of Touma's blood which is similar to--

Thinking up to that point, Fiamma let go of the left arm that was stopping the blood from coming out of the wound. At the same time, Don!! The blood splattering out along with the explosive sound drew the shape of a giant invisible hand

[faiz blaster]

Originally Posted by Okashira

I kinda have been waiting long to mention this, but the novel refers to the Dragon head as "Dragon King" ( 竜王 , Ryuu-Oh). Do you people remember how Tatsugami (Otohime's last name) was written as Dragon god? ( 竜神 , Ryuu-Jin ), that fact really struck me as odd. BTW, I remember the PSP game referring the dragon as something else (I think it was Dragon Strike).

In other words, thanks to the Ping we now can have some Aureolus for breakfast. Thus only the epilogue is left till the main novels are completed, and it's nothing but fitting for Ping himself to bring this circle to a (temporary) close.

I love the front selection for Touma's psycho mode.

It was mentioned in Vol 18 that the term "dragon" is a symbol for many thing in the toaruverse. One of them is a fallen angel. So a "dragon king" would be something like the king of fallen angels (more evidence supporting the "Lucifer"-theory, anyone?).

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

The 'Dragon King'; the 'chief' or 'Head' Dragon, is called the [Pendragon], or Pen Draig.


History-wise, it's also the name of several traditional Kings of the Britons, but I doubt that's related. In fact, I don't think it's anymore than flavor text.

What? Now, we're getting Arthurian references in this story? Seriously, I'm gonna rage if I see short blondie wearing an armor over blue clothes and swinging a holy sword running around!

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by faiz blaster

What? Now, we're getting Arthurian references in this story? Seriously, I'm gonna rage if I see short blondie wearing an armor over blue clothes and swinging a holy sword running around!

It's Chaos' reference, not the LNs. Besides, the author went the Curtana route rather than Excalibur. Calm down.

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by faiz blaster

It was mentioned in Vol 18 that the term "dragon" is a symbol for many thing in the toaruverse. One of them is a fallen angel. So a "dragon king" would be something like the king of fallen angels (more evidence supporting the "Lucifer"-theory, anyone?).

It's more like the opposite, since the start it's unlikely from how it's phrased. In toaruverse apparently Michael dealt with Lucifer quite easily with just his right hand, Fiamma having exactly that type of power could have theoretically dealt with that right away. Or more importantly, he would have recognized it right away. Aleister went out of his way to tell us that whatever the Imagine Breaker is, we are not going to be able to tell if we source the bible, so devils and demons and god and angels and whatever are very unlikely.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

It's Chaos' reference, not the LNs. Besides, the author went the Curtana route rather than Excalibur. Calm down.

...I did say that I don't think it's any more than flavor text.

[Kuroi Hadou]

I think the problem someone within the Age of Osiris has understanding something from the Age of Horus is similar to trying to understand higher dimensions from a lower one. You can create a representation using the lower dimension to understand it somewhat, but the only way to fully comprehend that something is if you exist within the same or even higher dimension.

[I_am_Kami]

Does anyone know someone who can kindly re-scan the images for V.18 and 19?

[Hell_ping]

Spoiler for 40%:

“I really feel that your injuries every time are really interesting.”

In the pure white hospital room, the middle-aged looking doctor who looks like a frog said that to Kamijou.

“...”

Kamijou doesn't know what to say as he can only lie on the today, lowering his head as he looks at the arm that got held in plaster. The sliced-off part was repaired neatly, and this can be said to be the best outcome. The cells on the sliced-off part aren't damaged, after one day of emergency treatment, they managed to fit the arm back onto the body within one day. A little finger that's was sliced off by a delinquent can be reattached back—though there's such a 'knowledge' in his mind, no one ever imagined that such a major re-assembly of the arm can be done. However, if there's such a disgusting 'knowledge', Kamijou really can't understand what kind of person he was 'before his lost his memory'.

“On a side note, you've been hospitalised twice within ten days, and naturally, you became a topic for discussion among the nurses. Don't tell me you have a nurse fetish?”

“...What are you talking about? I don't have such a dangerous thought of 'being done in on the operation table'.”

“Really? Pity, I thought I found a compatriot.”

Kamijou wordlessly stares at the frog-faced doctor. ''Did this guy choose to become a doctor because of such a reason?'' If that were the case, he really wants to change doctors. Basically, he wants to press the emergency call button.

“Hn? Please don't be mistaken though. I prefer to 'do it' than to be 'done in'. And I prefer the delivery platform to the operation table--”

'SHUT UP! NOBODY WANTS TO LISTEN TO THE SPECIFICS! AND STOP DEMONSTRATING IT TO ME, THAT'S DISGUSTING! WHY ISN'T A NURSE TAKING CARE OF ME!?”

Thus, he really presses the emergency call button. The doctor gives a look of despair and says 'I'm going then' before walking out of the patient's room. What's going on? Why does he look like he really found that to be a pity?

Immediately after the doctor left, another person walks in.

A man who can't fit into the Japanese culture, Stiyl Magnus.

“Though I don't want to get close to you or be friends with you at all, I came here out of courtesy.”

“...Let me ask you. Why are you jumping about as if nothing happened? Can you tell me why?”

Stiyl puffs his cheeks and look rather unhappy, not saying anything at all.

If there's a need to compare who is more disgusting, there is none more than that patient.

All his flesh and bone got broken and scattered, and yet he didn't even have a blood vessel broken. His organs were scattered all over the place, yet he could survive through blood circulation. Not everyone can have such a precious experience.

“I actually wanted to more or less thank you for this time...but thinking about it, there's no need for that. What you did was basically just to let Aureolus self-destruct.”

“Humph, this is all thanks to this Kamijou Touma's perfect acting!”

That's right. Kamijou Touma didn't have the power to beat Aureolus Izzard.

But the magic Aureolus used was to 'change reality according to one's thoughts'. After that, it was easy; he just needed to make Arueolus himself think--

--That Aureolus Izzard definitely can't beat Kamijou Touma.

In order to achieve that, Kamijou called a bluff...in fact, Kamijou doesn't even remember about the fact that he lost his right arm. Though he thought that he should be 'acting somewhat properly', the actual scenario was more like his mind went blank due to sharp pain and shock. According to what some suicidal people say, excessive blood loss will bring about ecstasy, which could probably explain that mysterious smile of his.

Of course, the truth can't be detected. Since he has to act, he has to pull it up to eleven.

“Speaking of which, it's really unbelievable that we were able to survive. I got my arm cut off, you became a 'human constellation observatory'. It feels like we again start to appreciate the value of life...oi, why do you look like you're about to laugh?”

“Nothing. Seeing your attitude, I just thought that you didn't realise that I was secretly helping you.”

Seemingly looking down on others, Stiyl smirks and says,

“After your arm got sliced off, you managed to dodge Aureolus' bullets without even dodging, remember? How do you think that happened?”

“...Ah?”

“Your acting did fool Aureolus, but when it started, Aureolus couldn't have believed it immediately, right? After you arm got sliced off and you started bluffing him, the main reason why he started to be fooled by your acting was because you managed to dodge his attack twice, wasn't it?”

“Erm...”

Kamijou stares blankly at Stiyl like a fool.

“You still don't understand even after I said so much? Basically, the reason why Aureolus' attacks failed the first two times was not because of your acting but because I used my magic to create an optical illusion on Aureolus.”

“What...?”

Kamijou stares at Stiyl's face in surprise. Stiyl merely says casually,

“What's so surprising about that? I specialise in fire magic. Using hot air to create a mirage and manipulating the refraction of light to create an optical error, that's not hard for me.”

“Hol, hold on! I'm not surprised about that! Weren't you blown to pieces and scattered all over the ceiling? How were you able to use magic in that 'human constellation' mode?”

“'Human constellation', that's an interesting description...but this is nothing too strange, isn't it? I was still alive that time, so of course I could refine lifeforce to create magic. Good thing my rune cards were scattered all over the floor when I exploded!”

Kamijou blankly stares at Stiyl's Magnus' face.

Though this incident involved vampires and Deep Blood, he's still the scariest one.

“But you don't have to worry about that. I suppose you should know the sin you committed in this incident, right? I'm here today to talk about the developments after 'Misawa Cram School'.”

Sin.

Kamijou turns to look at the right hand that's covered in plaster. A Dragon King's head. Though that was a 'self-destructive' illusion that was caused by Aureolus' own anxiety, the one who forced Kamijou down the path of self-destruction was definitely Kamijou himself.

“Sigh, no need to show such an expression. What Aureolus imagined was that the Dragon King wasn't physical, but a mental image. It was just like an illusion. Though the body couldn't touch it, something that will swallow a soul will be similar to that.”

“???”

“That means that though you didn't hurt Aureolus physically, Aureolus' mentally broken.”

“...Is that something worth bragging about?”

“Of course it is. In terms of the conclusion, we just took away Aureolus Izzard's memory and settled it. In this battle against the magician who defended so strongly, the final casualty was merely the member of the 13 Knights in front of the lift. In the 2,000 years history of magic, this is the 3rd time such a happy ending occurred.”

Is this really something worth being happy? Kamijou wondered. He suddenly remembers something. The 'Gregorio's Chant of the Roman Catholics' should be safe, right? Perhaps Stiyl, who had his memory erased, couldn't remember it.

“...Speaking of which, where did that Aureolus Izzard who lost his memory go?”

Is he in this hospital, Kamijou wondered.


“Oh, is there a need to mention it? I killed him.”

Originally Posted by Okashira

I love the front selection for Touma's psycho mode.

Let's just say that I had lots of fun with that.

[MeisterBabylon]

Che, magic has been around for only 2000 years. This is too obvious...

[faiz blaster]

More importantly, I wonder about the implications of Touma not being totally self-aware during the time when the Dragon Head appeared....

[Hell_ping]

Epilogue done. Now just the afterword. Coming out in 15 minutes.

[ellifeedn]

Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

Che, magic has been around for only 2000 years. This is too obvious...

Magic has been around for longer than that. 2000 years describes the age of the Christian church and its practices.