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whitecloud · 2013-07-10, 23:56

So i guess the pro dub might be able to put their request in again? Now the studio has say it wont be able to put over 40 minutes show?

Utsuro no Hako · 2013-07-11, 00:01

That stretch goal seems a little high considering they've already doubled the initial target. For half a million I think we should at least get an LWA manga.

What sort of reaction is this getting on Japanese anime sites? Exciting new way of making anime, or more proof that American anime fans have screwy taste?

**Solace** · 2013-07-11, 08:26

It's important to remember that a lot of Kickstarters tend to over promise and under deliver, which distorts many donators perception of "value". In addition to that, a lot of people simply have no idea how much things cost to make, nor the timetables required to make them. Simply throwing more money at a project won't make them suddenly able to deliver "more, better" in the promised time frame. If people want them to make a movie or television series, expect something delivered by 2015 at the very earliest, with something more realistic by the end of 2017 if all goes smoothly, which isn't going to happen because the studio has other commitments and a desire to get this out by the end of next year.

I'm happy the studio is being honest and not trying to promise too much. It's a refreshing change from all the Kickstarters that aren't so conservative, and often use stretch goals with gimmicks to milk more money.

That said, an English dub would be realistic and practical with enough funding, and if they can push to 40 minutes (which their update implies is doable), combined with the extras they're already pushing for, they're offering a lot for the money being asked. Hopefully they won't be too discouraged by people demanding too much.

And yeah, count me in with the people who would like a dub option. I don't particularly like dubs, but a title like this deserves to be as accessible as possible. It's family friendly, translates well multiculturaly, and would make a great showcase for Japanese animation to show that it's more than shallow sex and violence. One of the things that drew me into anime in the first place was that it treated animation as a medium to tell stories, that animation could be more than just "cartoons". LWA reminded me of those emotions I first felt about anime, that wonder and awe of something so familiar also being so strange and amazing.

Triple_R · 2013-07-11, 08:46

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Originally Posted by Solace

And yeah, count me in with the people who would like a dub option. I don't particularly like dubs, but a title like this deserves to be as accessible as possible. It's family friendly, translates well multiculturaly, and would make a great showcase for Japanese animation to show that it's more than shallow sex and violence. One of the things that drew me into anime in the first place was that it treated animation as a medium to tell stories, that animation could be more than just "cartoons". LWA reminded me of those emotions I first felt about anime, that wonder and awe of something so familiar also being so strange and amazing.

Very well-said. I completely agree.

With most anime shows, I don't care if it gets dubbed or not. Heck, if anything, I'd argue that part of the reason that the North American side of the industry ran into such severe trouble is because they went with a "License/Dub EVERYTHING!" approach which was frankly total insanity.

But LWA is a high quality, high accessible show that has a certain charm and character to it that I haven't seen in animation (not just anime, but the whole of animation) in a very long time. It brings me back to my days as a kid in the 80s eagerly looking forward every Saturday for Saturday Morning Cartoons.

LWA can be a great shot in the arm for animation in general, not just anime.

bhl88 · 2013-07-13, 23:14

Instead, they should pick an optional: Dub or not (so at least the customer can decide).

Sadly last I checked, there are 1000+ people who want subs only to 200+ people who want dub (last I checked the voting station).

Magin · 2013-07-14, 02:08

So it gets a sequel... well, at least its an OVA and not a full blown series. My biggest problem with a sequel is very simple: what would be the plot? The first worked IMO precisely because it was a oneshot... otherwise, this falls into the danger of being "just another slice-of-life/coming-of-age anime", mahou shoujo (okay, so technically it's not mahou shoujo) school or no. Unless you suddenly change to a different group of characters (highly unlikely), it would just be episode after episode of "misadventures of the trio".

Granted, this plot would work for younger kids. But, as no one seems to have pointed out, the ultimate fanbase and viewership of this is definitely not kids (since I doubt kids would be able to KS this thing)

VampirePaladin · 2013-07-14, 02:16

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Originally Posted by Magin

So it gets a sequel... well, at least its an OVA and not a full blown series. My biggest problem with a sequel is very simple: what would be the plot? The first worked IMO precisely because it was a oneshot... otherwise, this falls into the danger of being "just another slice-of-life/coming-of-age anime", mahou shoujo (okay, so technically it's not mahou shoujo) school or no. Unless you suddenly change to a different group of characters (highly unlikely), it would just be episode after episode of "misadventures of the trio".

Granted, this plot would work for younger kids. But, as no one seems to have pointed out, the ultimate fanbase and viewership of this is definitely not kids (since I doubt kids would be able to KS this thing)

It is mahou shoujo. The original mahou shoujo series were all witches and the like. This is just going back to the original definition.

Horse · 2013-07-14, 02:51

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Originally Posted by Magin

Unless you suddenly change to a different group of characters (highly unlikely), it would just be episode after episode of "misadventures of the trio".

Granted, this plot would work for younger kids. But, as no one seems to have pointed out, the ultimate fanbase and viewership of this is definitely not kids

It may not work for you but I, for one, do not see anything bad in another "misadventure of the trio" as you called it. I'm 29.

brocko · 2013-07-14, 03:15

Plot is over-rated.

Triple_R · 2013-07-14, 05:20

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Originally Posted by Magin

So it gets a sequel... well, at least its an OVA and not a full blown series. My biggest problem with a sequel is very simple: what would be the plot? The first worked IMO precisely because it was a oneshot... otherwise, this falls into the danger of being "just another slice-of-life/coming-of-age anime", mahou shoujo (okay, so technically it's not mahou shoujo) school or no. Unless you suddenly change to a different group of characters (highly unlikely), it would just be episode after episode of "misadventures of the trio".

I think there's a lot of potential to the world of LWA. A full blown series would probably involve a lot of world exploration.

That being said, I somewhat understand your reservations. It's not always easy to catch lightning in a bottle a second time. Sometimes a story or show just clicks, and its hard to effectively replicate that without feeling formulaic. For that reason, I'm not going to let my expectations get really high for this LWA sequel.

Utsuro no Hako · 2013-07-14, 09:13

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Originally Posted by bhl88

Instead, they should pick an optional: Dub or not (so at least the customer can decide).

Sadly last I checked, there are 1000+ people who want subs only to 200+ people who want dub (last I checked the voting station).

This isn't the 1980s. You can have the sub and dub on the same disc for people to choose from.

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Originally Posted by Magin

So it gets a sequel... well, at least its an OVA and not a full blown series. My biggest problem with a sequel is very simple: what would be the plot? The first worked IMO precisely because it was a oneshot... otherwise, this falls into the danger of being "just another slice-of-life/coming-of-age anime", mahou shoujo (okay, so technically it's not mahou shoujo) school or no. Unless you suddenly change to a different group of characters (highly unlikely), it would just be episode after episode of "misadventures of the trio".

Granted, this plot would work for younger kids. But, as no one seems to have pointed out, the ultimate fanbase and viewership of this is definitely not kids (since I doubt kids would be able to KS this thing)

If it ends up like The Worst Witch, I wouldn't complain.

Kazu-kun · 2013-07-14, 10:41

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Originally Posted by brocko

Plot is over-rated.

No it's just that most people seem to misunderstand what that is.

totoum · 2013-07-14, 12:03

I trust trigger because they were interested in making this a full lengh TV show even before LWA was released,so I figure that means they've had the whole world figured out even then, so they're not just now wondering how to expand on it.

I just thought we'd get more of the chariot/teacher backstory , why did the shiny rod stop working,why was Akko the one who could use it?Maybe get some kind of journey for her to become the next shiny chariot?

Magin · 2013-07-14, 13:57

I will admit that exploring what happened to the Shiny Rod and why Akko could suddenly use it would be an interesting story... I think I highly enjoyed the first one because all the high-and-mighty students went OH SHI- when they finally realized that using magic against a Dragon = BAD IDEA (and it turned into an awesome fight). I probably do need to set my expectations lower if/when a sequel does fully get made.

MogMoogle1 · 2013-07-15, 10:52

I don't mind an exploration on how and why Akko became the chosen one and such, as long as they don't focus too much on it. What made LWA great, at least for me, was that it was light hearted and fun, nothing super cereal or plot heavy.

bhl88 · 2013-07-15, 17:54

In kickstarter, is the autograph printed or handmade? (checking my $300 contribution)

Animexcel · 2013-07-16, 14:12

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Originally Posted by bhl88

In kickstarter, is the autograph printed or handmade? (checking my $300 contribution)

I could imagine they would sign it by hand..who's signing it anyway?

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2013-07-16, 17:22

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Originally Posted by whitecloud

So i guess the pro dub might be able to put their request in again? Now the studio has say it wont be able to put over 40 minutes show?

Now that we know they are really stretching for resources, a dub seems like too much work as it is. If all you want is to grow the franchise, the studio is currently not capable of doing that even if you give them money.

It is now no longer a matter of sacrificing funds, but that Trigger doesn't have the capacity. They would have to have an entire division or hire some other company to do dubs, which is too much when they currently have their hands full.

bhl88 · 2013-07-16, 17:53

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Originally Posted by Animexcel

I could imagine they would sign it by hand..who's signing it anyway?

Tried asking (twice). No answer.

pezzie · 2013-07-16, 21:08

I like the idea of a dub, even though I probably won't ever watch it. Anything to reach a larger audience is a good thing.

But why are so many people insistent on Studio Trigger doing the dub? They are a tiny, brand new studio without a lot of wiggle room in terms of funds. Even if this Kickstarter hits $600k+, I'd rather they focus on staying solvent and making more quality animation. Let one of the localizing companies license the show and do a dub, like most of the other dubs out there.

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Magin #1 Akashiya Moka Fan Author Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Where magic is real Age: 35	So it gets a sequel... well, at least its an OVA and not a full blown series. My biggest problem with a sequel is very simple: what would be the plot? The first worked IMO precisely because it was a oneshot... otherwise, this falls into the danger of being "just another slice-of-life/coming-of-age anime", mahou shoujo (okay, so technically it's not mahou shoujo) school or no. Unless you suddenly change to a different group of characters (highly unlikely), it would just be episode after episode of "misadventures of the trio". Granted, this plot would work for younger kids. But, as no one seems to have pointed out, the ultimate fanbase and viewership of this is definitely not kids (since I doubt kids would be able to KS this thing) __________________ Gifted...or Cursed? R+V fanfic- Chapter 4 of A Water Bride and a Vampire is now up at FF.net! All fans of Inner or Outer Moka, come join her fanclub!

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Utsuro no Hako Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	That stretch goal seems a little high considering they've already doubled the initial target. For half a million I think we should at least get an LWA manga. What sort of reaction is this getting on Japanese anime sites? Exciting new way of making anime, or more proof that American anime fans have screwy taste?

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totoum Me at work Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland Age: 36	I trust trigger because they were interested in making this a full lengh TV show even before LWA was released,so I figure that means they've had the whole world figured out even then, so they're not just now wondering how to expand on it. I just thought we'd get more of the chariot/teacher backstory , why did the shiny rod stop working,why was Akko the one who could use it?Maybe get some kind of journey for her to become the next shiny chariot? __________________

2013-07-14, 13:57	Link #74
Magin #1 Akashiya Moka Fan Author Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Where magic is real Age: 35	I will admit that exploring what happened to the Shiny Rod and why Akko could suddenly use it would be an interesting story... I think I highly enjoyed the first one because all the high-and-mighty students went OH SHI- when they finally realized that using magic against a Dragon = BAD IDEA (and it turned into an awesome fight). I probably do need to set my expectations lower if/when a sequel does fully get made. __________________ Gifted...or Cursed? R+V fanfic- Chapter 4 of A Water Bride and a Vampire is now up at FF.net! All fans of Inner or Outer Moka, come join her fanclub!

2013-07-15, 10:52	Link #75
MogMoogle1 Idol Power! Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Middle of nowhere, center of everywhere...	I don't mind an exploration on how and why Akko became the chosen one and such, as long as they don't focus too much on it. What made LWA great, at least for me, was that it was light hearted and fun, nothing super cereal or plot heavy. __________________

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bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	In kickstarter, is the autograph printed or handmade? (checking my $300 contribution) __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

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pezzie Member Join Date: Aug 2011	I like the idea of a dub, even though I probably won't ever watch it. Anything to reach a larger audience is a good thing. But why are so many people insistent on Studio Trigger doing the dub? They are a tiny, brand new studio without a lot of wiggle room in terms of funds. Even if this Kickstarter hits $600k+, I'd rather they focus on staying solvent and making more quality animation. Let one of the localizing companies license the show and do a dub, like most of the other dubs out there.