2009-03-24, 10:52 | Link #622 |
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about the world platonic linking to Plato..
a few of my friends thought that platonic love is term meaning a relationship with tons of sex (without the higher cause), and didn't think think that it was connected to Plato, but rather just thought of it as it is, and one even made a connection to a russian work "плоть" which means flesh I wouldn't call them ignorant, they're actually quite educated, can easily talk on any theme of hystory, politics, technics etc etc, just that they didn't study phylosophy.. I had phylosophy only for 1 semester during my 1 year, and as you finished a degree in it, you should know that you can't learn a LOT in half a year.. just jumping over heads. |
2009-03-24, 12:10 | Link #623 |
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Well, I do not say that it is exactly this or that persons fault for misusing word platonic, but rather a Christian philosophical interpretation tradition that reaches way beyond our times.
For me process is just as important, as the final result, since Plato himself discussed about the result admitting that there would be hard to find final result of his love in our world, as we are human and our recognition of eidos is polluted by our own bodies (note that this 'pollution' isn't bad as in Christian tradition, but rather a natural thing of being human). But thats what makes the physical part in his love interpretation more important, as it would always part of relationship. Result without process is impossible. Maybe if we were angels who could see all those eidos through physical bodies then such instant result love would be possible, but since we are humans it is not really possible to reach such recognition without physical world. Well maybe since Horo is god she could do that, but for Lawrence this is impossible. Anyways, the Lawrence and Horo love is not platonic in its true (historical, if you want) meaning of the world as it doesn't have physical part in it . In fact, it looks more like flirting but not really a love yet. |
2009-03-24, 20:27 | Link #625 |
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I wonder if there is ever going to be a moment where these two actually say something like "I love you" or at least admit something like that within there heads though there have been a few moments that to me almost seemed like that. This would probably would be one of those relationships where words wouldn't be needed though, I suppose.
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2009-03-25, 00:06 | Link #628 | |
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Spoiler for Vol. 4:
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2009-03-25, 00:13 | Link #629 |
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That they don't. No one can tell if they won't but the author. Sure it is human/non-human thing but it was hinted in the novels that such relationships are not completely impossible.
It would be painful to Horo though, unless she would be turned into human or Larence would be given immortality (or at least very long life continuum). |
2009-03-25, 07:36 | Link #632 |
WHERE'S...MY...COW????
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Given Horo's nature, her losing her long life (I don't quite think she is immortal unless I read something wrong) is quite unlikely. That doesn't mean there can't be some sort of happiness and there are always ways where this could end on a positive note. And if they don't feel love for one another now, I have a feeling it could happen eventually. Time is all that is needed. They are already on the way there or at least to me they are. Or the subject could be left open without any clear ending. Or it will just stay where it is for the rest of story, they may eventually part, and everyone goes on with their lives.
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2009-03-25, 12:51 | Link #634 |
WHERE'S...MY...COW????
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I can't think of any way that could be done honestly (haven't heard this unofficial bit before) and it might seem a bit cheap if that sort of thing just happened. Or maybe not depending on how it was all handled. Best case scenario barring that for them would probably be that they simply stay with one another for the rest of Lawrence's life, though there are some aspects of that which could be sad.
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2009-03-25, 13:00 | Link #635 |
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Setting aside the possibility of divorce, that's what all married couples do. They remain together until one partner dies. In that respect, Lawrence and Horo's relationship would be no different than any other marriage.
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2009-03-25, 13:06 | Link #636 | |
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I've said this before but there's a real deep feeling in eastern literature that scares many Western eyes. That sense of "everything is impermanent; everything changes; live and enjoy the now because that's all you ever have". Don't avoid a relationship because it might be short (i.e. that short series about the terminally ill girl and the boy who loves her - series name escapes me).
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2009-03-25, 14:10 | Link #638 |
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Beat me to it. I remembered the first half but decided to leave looking up the second half until after I'd had breakfast.
I'm not sure that Spice and Wolf will necessary take the Hanbun no Tsuki route though. I haven't seen a lot of anime do the happily ever after routine, but I've seen some pretty differing amounts of emphasis on the fact one partner will outlive the other. Some of them put so little emphasis on it as to come across as something approximating a happily ever after to western audiences. (And damn it, now I'm thinking about how the whole "everything is temporary" thing applies to Chihiro's story in EF (particularly what I've heard about the game version of her story) when I should be working on my Kashmir paper so that I can go out with friends tomorrow night.) |
2009-03-30, 00:17 | Link #639 |
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What about this idea...?
Horo eventually gets captured by the Church, and a host of exorcists try whatever, etc etc, but eventually somehow, they are able to exercise the wolf part of Horo out, leaving her as herself, a normal girl now, just with centuries of memories and experience. Now they're both "normal," and can live their lives to the happiness of the end when they die and move on together, or something like that...O_o?
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