2008-06-24, 16:05 | Link #2042 |
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Change from within can't only occur with the help of Britannian nobles, but also the help of the Japanese...
Not all of them are powerless, there are merchants or other people that have accumulated or kept their wealth. Apart from Nunnally he doesn't have any support and it will take time for her to be taken seriously. And not all change has to be due to violence there are plenty of examples on change that started due to peaceful demonstrations and the like. Suzaku's way of gaining the necessary power to take Area 11 over isn't peaceful, but should be effective... Until he has gained his title, he'll need to dirty his hands further. His present status is a tricky thing he's always on the verge of losing everything... There are various people jealous of him... Maybe they see him as the first of many Numbers gaining influence, who knows... In that regard he isn't that different to Lelouche... |
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Love the Turn-A avatar, Eagles. ^_^ At the least in Britannian society from what we know the only person with the power to change things entirely is the Emperor. Charles likes Britannia kicking ass and taking names.
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2008-06-24, 16:10 | Link #2047 | |
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ooh and btw Suzaku is a prick |
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TRUE! Lelouch is dead! XD
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2008-06-24, 16:11 | Link #2049 |
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That depend son the system you're trying to change, I'd say. It isn't so easy to change thigns withina tyrannical government/regime (where wanting to change thigns might well mean death as well) as it is to change things in a democracy...
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2008-06-24, 16:14 | Link #2051 |
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A revolution always starts off with good intentions though. Usually though, it ends up becoming worse than before. Heck, what will happen if Lelouch does get what he wants? Not everyone sees things the way he does, and once Lelouch loses power, or dies, the next person could be nothing more than a nasty tyrant that wants to oppress people they don't like.
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2008-06-24, 16:21 | Link #2052 | |
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The dutch revolted against the spanish regime and after that it was way better. The american revolution was against the british regime and yeah after that they had the constitution in which freedom was essential. the french revolt ensured more freedom. I can go on. I also said that it can go either way. You cant disprove history with 1 example and say its a formula that if revolt happens it will never go good thats bullshit. It can go either way. that was actually a informative quote about the subject of this thread^^. What do you want me to say yeah he is great for killing his dad. selling out lulu not knowing wtf happened. or that he doesnt even do any fuck fo rthe japanese people let alone abuse nunnally for his desire to punish lulu. |
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2008-06-24, 16:22 | Link #2053 | |
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2008-06-24, 16:22 | Link #2054 | |
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2008-06-24, 16:24 | Link #2055 |
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It depends though. I guess a revolution can bring change, if you are willing to do so within certain boundaries. If you do everything it takes and don't differentiate then you'll just trade one evil for the other.
And as for peaceful and quiet (at least concerning the actions of the party demanding the change) revolutions I think Martin Luther King and Ghandi are nice examples... I'm not trying to contrast them to the show, I think that's pretty much impossible but I think sometimes the change will be more effective, at least in the long run... And both personalities left a lasting impression and inspiration for coming generations... Lelouche was shown to be not as demonic as he tried to appear in the first season and Suzaku didn't initiate a second massacre... So they both wouldn't be candidates for despots on the rise I think. |
2008-06-24, 16:26 | Link #2056 |
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But by then he could get people in the Britannian government, and citizens of both Numbers and Britannians to go along with him and help him change things for the better. He will have the power to do that and with that power, people will listen. That is the whole meaning of changing things from inside.
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2008-06-24, 16:32 | Link #2057 | |
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i didnt know people in the army were leaders as in senators and stuff. But that might all be alternative reality stuff. If you want to make your statement true show that HE Suzaku wants to make them get along, Its the damn brits with racism not the japanese people so Show where he says emperor i think you shoudl respect the japanese people and make sure racism gets punished. Instead Nunnally came with that idea and NOT suzaku. SO fact still remains Suzaku is a prick thing is Suzaku is lame fag. The guy as a character has a flaw will never make him succeed. You cant change people with power. you can change wars etc and put pressure on people but you cant change people with power alone you need to talk and hold speeches show your intend and do actual work with people for people to change. Which is what Lulu can do when he is the leader of both his army and people who follow him. Also because he is on that rank level or whatever, he can make brittania acknowledge him if they agree on it. Thus also what he represents. in History i can not remember a situation where change came from within. I never saw white people say lets treat black people differently. I never saw the brits do what gandhi did to make a change without the protests of the oppressed. Only because of the outside influence will one be moved to change. I might be wrog but i can't recall a situation |
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2008-06-24, 16:35 | Link #2058 |
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There are two major reasons for that right now.
1) He isn't the Knight of One yet. 2) Lelouch made it so the Britannian government can't trust Numbers in fear of rebellion AND is making it hard by being currently active. |
2008-06-24, 16:36 | Link #2059 | |
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At the moment he's still quite involved in fighting and is often away... And it's not only the Britannians that are racist. Tamaki wanted to shoot a bunch of school kids and he was convinced Zero would have done the same... |
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2008-06-24, 16:45 | Link #2060 | |
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About the round of One i'd give 2 shit if he is round of 1 or round of 100000000. Its pretty obvious it wont make a difference if he is 1 or 10 he will only be busy taking zero down. Why can others make a difference with just being who you are and he needs a damn number for fuck sake he can at least do something to make a difference at this point. People same the excuse of being number 1 man. I mean you mean to tell me he cant just aid people who are mistreated. What he cant set up a party or lobby of people who will support those from both side in making a difference. the guy is obviously a war maniac. |
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