2012-11-19, 05:54 | Link #2121 |
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I don't really see the issue here. Gon just isn't intimated by threats or pain. He's the main character of the series and as such has a reprieve from any mortal injury. Hanzo completely overpowered Gon but it doesn't mean he should just concede the match. He took a gamble and won. It was quite clear that Hanzo was a professional Ninja without a sadistic twist to him. For instance, it was very easy for Gon and Killua to tell Hisoka has a blood thirsty aura. Gon is far from the strongest character in the series at this point, and most of his competition are stronger than him. Would you rather he just run for it with even the slighest disadvantage? We have Killua who already doesn't like to take chances, and I like him too, but for different reasons. He's a fairly original character for shounens, honestly. He understands the risks involved yet his desire to accomplish his goals clouds his vision just enough to where his goals take a higher priority than his own life. And it makes things interesting and refreshing. The uniqueness of each individual character is part of what makes the series so good. Gon is simply one piece to the puzzle.
And Gon does pay for his mistakes. With a whole lot of pain. He just doesn't end up a cripple or worse, dead. Needless to say, when he lives in a world where arms can be sewed back on with a thread and needle, few injuries would end up permanent.
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2012-11-19, 11:44 | Link #2122 |
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1) I lol every time somebody calls Hanzo "Danzo"
2) Every bit about Gon being a fool who takes risks is true. That's kind of the point. And he learns REALLY SLOWLY, which is why he is surrounded by people who can bail him out. 3) I feel like noting that the only consequence he gets "bailed out" of is death (or permanent disablement). He gets all the other consequences all the same. He sometimes goes in way over his head and at all times at least something bad happens as a result of that. He doesn't magically become stronger than all of his opponents either. His learning curve is pretty steep, but it's still a curve, rather than him instantly teleporting to the top of it. The fact that he constantly has to get bailed out of his jams by outside forces kind of makes him a rather atypical protagonist. |
2012-11-19, 14:23 | Link #2123 | |
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I tried calling him "ninja-guy" for a while since I was pretty sure that wasn't his name bit I couldn't remember his real name, but I gave up in the end.
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2012-11-19, 14:46 | Link #2125 |
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It's not about "realism" (I mean, come on, lets take a look at the show we're watching, discussing "realism" here would be utterly ridiculous), it's about protagonists not getting away with things, it's about them not getting the easy ride. It's natural for at least a good chunk of the audience to get irritated when a character gets away with something, when there is a possibility that he might not have gotten away, when one can easily imagine things having ended up much worse than they have.
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2012-11-19, 15:48 | Link #2126 |
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Then Hanzo's the wrong point to pick apart.
The contest was purposely designed to not be purely about combat power. Hanzou was presented as overconfident and goofy rather than sadistic, and the presence of witnesses in addition to Gon's youth would further inhibit him. Yes, it was a gamble. But it wasn't that risky. The worst that would have happened is that Hanzou would have continued a bit and then Leorio or Kurapika would have jumped in, thus disqualifying Gon. At which point, it would be over and everyone but Gon and maybe Leorio or Kurapika would have their license. And, as I've pointed out earlier, it wasn't that unlikely to pay off. Though I doubt Gon thought it through that much. Last edited by Anh_Minh; 2012-11-21 at 17:14. |
2012-11-19, 17:45 | Link #2127 |
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Gon wasn't counting on Hanzo letting him win by the way. If he did, then he wouldn't have protested as much.
Also, forgive me for saying this, but between all the beatings and injuries Gon takes, I find it rather strange they describe this as "Gon taking the easy ride". |
2012-11-20, 16:34 | Link #2130 |
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Gon pays a very small price for every dumb thing he does.
Some of his actions are tolerable, but some are not. Do you really think that several punches and one broken arm were enough for his idiocy? Come on, try and do what Gon did. I'm sure you'll have far worse injuries. Whatever price Gon pays it is or small or instantly repaid back. Once again the moment that pisses me off was not aired yet so I can't say anything. All I can say that the one scene was enough for me to lower my mark for last OVA. Yes, you can get your arms back and stuff here but only if you know right people. Let's take Hisoka as example. Just like Gon he tends to play dangerous games and risk his life. However, what puts them to apart is the fact that Hisoka is actually strong. He knows that he will win so why not have some fun and add extreme stuff? Chopped arms? Not a problem, he has Machi to fix him up. Gon on the other hand is weak. It's admirable that he tries but there is nothing wrong in giving up or taking other routes. If there is an easier path, take it, train, progress. When you develop, go ahead and take a harder route. Gon keeps saying that if he'll surrender, he'll never see his father. But how does he plan to see him if he will be dead? Gon has a very narrow minded mind. In all honesty if Killua was not around, he would be dead long time ago since Killus is his voice of reason. And yes, HxH has a good variety of characters. Sadly the most annoying one is the one who steals the spotlight. In all honesty I'll better watch a whole arc with Leorio instead, the guy barely gets any love at all.
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2012-11-20, 17:12 | Link #2131 | |
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(Well, superhero comics and the like have the same issue.) I don't mind, really. It'd be hard to get attached to characters if the protagonist had to be changed every other issue as the old one got a crippling, career ending injury. |
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2012-11-20, 17:47 | Link #2132 | |
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2012-11-21, 18:49 | Link #2134 |
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I did say that some of his actions are tolerable.
Anyway main issue was not animated yet so I'll leave it at that. Greed Island arc is where he really loves to over step the line. Besides I never said that he has to avoid every fight out there. And to be honest, I find every MC boring. The only MC I ever liked is Edward Elric. Everyone else are boring, predictable and with untouchable/godly shield around them... in other words WORST CHARACTERS EVER! All of them should just die, then I would be surprised. MCs are fun only when you are young and get to know cartoons/movies/books. Afterwards you can predict almost everything about any MC out there =/
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2012-11-28, 16:43 | Link #2138 | |
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