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tsunade666 · 2013-03-29, 01:07

not really doing campione but magic stuff?

lets just pass it as searching for a magic?

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-29, 01:09

I find it easily to have a deity in mind then working out the spell, rather than the other way around though...

kaizerknight01 · 2013-03-29, 01:13

Beh who cares 'bout magic sword if you have BFG behold the power of science AKA [ Beam spam ]

Spoiler for talk about being anti climatic:

whitecloud · 2013-03-29, 06:03

or magic like the one in mahouka rettousei, like cocytus (mind freeze), mist dispersal, and its extension material burst

in that series magic is practically science with the use of chips, and electronics to cast magic and is different from personal reality as well, except ancient magic there is no deity, creepy ritual and the likes...the anglican church will be pulling their hairs out....

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-29, 06:20

It's call Magitech.

tsunade666 · 2013-03-29, 06:26

the ancient magic in mahouka is practically can be said the same as ancient magic in japan where the expertise lies in spirit or astral magic. While the modern magic or current magic in mahouka is categories in 8 changes if I remember it right. The magic in mahouka sometimes is just too.... long for explanation that you need to read it again to even understand it but its mostly scientific but has its still magic in a way that they consider magic when there are changes in reality which can be the same for esper but the term they used there is eidos. Change in eidos instead of mana.

the mystic code there or medium for magic is dub as cad where you input the formula which is like the magic circle in terms for the native occult stuff.

Mahouka is indeed a good story for magic too. My only problem there is well.... -__- the shiba siblings relation ship with imouto being over possessive. I'm not much of a fan for that particular theme though which also surprised me when I actually liked oreimo.

@ friend kaizerknight01 hahaha you also read that manga. Too bad the translation is slow but indeed that story is good. When you look at the novel. You will see lots of settings that involve there per each story of the girls/heroine. Laser gun isn't the last of sci fi weapon you will see

whitecloud · 2013-03-29, 06:31

Yeah the guy is cheating...laser gun to defeat dragon...when he supposed to used holy sword...basically cross story cheating with multiple heroine the manga is funny...

tsunade666 · 2013-03-29, 06:39

actually Rekka DID GET

Spoiler:

the magitect technology was also being teach by Crowley right? from what I read before when we are discussing the book of laws. Magitech was been mentioned.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-29, 06:58

Crowley teaches a different style of magic that doesn't require any of the old world Deities I think. He also made huge improvements in the study of magic that wasn't seen in the centuries before.

Remember what Birdway had said about writing with your left foot? Not only is he writing with his left foot, but he has done it in a way that makes it better than those using their right hand to write.

Anyway the Magitech I'm talking about is literally using machines for magic, or have a very scientific method of casting spells. Mahouka fits this, and so does Nanoha.

tsunade666 · 2013-03-29, 07:10

Aleister uses the machines attach to him in refining his life force. Its practically the one producing his magic and prolonging his life.

Nanoha has sketchy math and just pump mana into the device and let it rip. While in mahouka you need programs for your cad to use magic.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-29, 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Aleister uses the machines attach to him in refining his life force. Its practically the one producing his magic and prolonging his life.

Magitech is more like a method than a source.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Nanoha has sketchy math and just pump mana into the device and let it rip. While in mahouka you need programs for your cad to use magic.

There are formulas involve in Nanoha as well.

tsunade666 · 2013-03-29, 08:06

magic formulas and magic circles with summoner, cyborg, then vampires and lots and lots more to add to it of whatever the staff behind it think they can add to nanohaverse. But really =_= its more on massive amount of magic and pump it into your device then zenryoku zenkai blast away the enemies. That's most of the thing I remember in nanoha, a's, strikers, then the 2 manga adaptation that I rarely read. though there are variation for vivid but the same can be said for force -_-

I'm not a fan of forceful power strike which is why I don't like material burst that much but Tatsuya's other spell like for destroying spell and disintegrating targets are okay for me. Huge explosions aren't really just my thing -_- they can be cuy, deflect or nullify, depending on the situation and settings.

I consider magic or ability that can read the enemies movement, predict the future, or ability to sense danger, much more appealing. And lets not talk about imagine breaker with it only effective on Touma's right hand. It can be considered hax but the same time its only on his right hand! there are lots of ways to kill him but none happens because Touma actually thinks. Even peppered by guns won't kill him easily though he admits it feels like hell when actually gotten hit by one.

A much more restricted and much more creative ability is what I like more. The type that you can play with while imagining different type of scenarios.

Its much more exciting than blasting your opponent -_-

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-29, 09:03

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

the first one is a vicious, merciless, wicked and like rabid god. The type that is pure malevolent of evil or so his exterior projects but the truth is his legend might be shrouded by his/her wildness and craziness but he/she is kind in the inside and has a connection to healing or revitalization or resurrection or maybe reincarnation. I need an authority that can be both dangerous and can heal. I don't plan to do the kiss thing to just heal someone

(though maybe not all the time

)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nature_deities

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

the other god is a god of trickery and not Loki (yet, have plans for that guy) I'm looking for a god that is known for his kindness to his people that he/she ended up being sacrifice or betraying the people for his wicked plan. A god of betrayal and destruction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

Finally is a god of pure evil that the other gods even are scared of him. The authority that can be usurped are the likes that aim to KILL or corrupt a weapon to deal inside and out damage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_deities

Ashaman · 2013-03-29, 13:43

Do all spells use Idol Theory?

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-29, 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashaman

Do all spells use Idol Theory?

It is not necessary, but 98% likely so.

Quote:

“This magic power is manufactured from the power that humans naturally possess, so it can be controlled relatively easily by the human will. But commands are needed for that purpose. It is possible to construct them from nothing, but that is just too inefficient. It’s much easier to reference an already existing legend or story. After all, the legends that are still widely known today and have not been weeded out are the ones that have a suitable answer in them.”

Ashaman · 2013-03-29, 17:25

You see, that's what I'm not sure upon - I'm not convinced that that's Idol Theory in the "Borrowing Power" aspect though, what with all the power coming from the magician.

Its more like they are using the legends as blue prints for spells.

Its not Idol Theory, its plagerism in the face of lack of imagination and a healthy dose of laziness.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-29, 17:28

If you're just referring to the power aspects, then we already know that magicians can fuel their own spells just fine.... Obvious exceptions aside.

Ashaman · 2013-03-29, 17:46

That's what I'm trying to say.

The fact that these spells fail to qualify as Idol Theory under the very most basic qualification of Idol Theory - that power is borrowed from an outside source- tells me that its not Idol Theory.

demino_hellsin · 2013-03-30, 01:07

Would using the language of babel count as magic?

tsunade666 · 2013-03-30, 01:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashaman

That's what I'm trying to say.

The fact that these spells fail to qualify as Idol Theory under the very most basic qualification of Idol Theory - that power is borrowed from an outside source- tells me that its not Idol Theory.

but isn't an idol is an image carved to be an imitation of the higher beings. Idol theory when Index explains it is more like an explanation of religious beliefs but not technically accurate. maybe because its the way of believers but when Levinia explains it. Its become easily to be understand. Like in the case of Styl where he uses his life force for his spell. If he really is burrowing magic from outer plane then why use your own life force to be refined into mana?

To me its like imitating the higher beings and the believers believe that they can achieve the same miracle and miracle isn't handed down to anyone without doing anything to make it work or just have plain faith to make it happen.

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

Would using the language of babel count as magic?

sure its possible if you know the language.

2013-03-29, 01:07	Link #1161
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	not really doing campione but magic stuff? lets just pass it as searching for a magic? __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2013-03-29, 01:09	Link #1162
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	I find it easily to have a deity in mind then working out the spell, rather than the other way around though... __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	It's call Magitech. __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2013-03-29, 06:26	Link #1166
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	the ancient magic in mahouka is practically can be said the same as ancient magic in japan where the expertise lies in spirit or astral magic. While the modern magic or current magic in mahouka is categories in 8 changes if I remember it right. The magic in mahouka sometimes is just too.... long for explanation that you need to read it again to even understand it but its mostly scientific but has its still magic in a way that they consider magic when there are changes in reality which can be the same for esper but the term they used there is eidos. Change in eidos instead of mana. the mystic code there or medium for magic is dub as cad where you input the formula which is like the magic circle in terms for the native occult stuff. Mahouka is indeed a good story for magic too. My only problem there is well.... -__- the shiba siblings relation ship with imouto being over possessive. I'm not much of a fan for that particular theme though which also surprised me when I actually liked oreimo. @ friend kaizerknight01 hahaha you also read that manga. Too bad the translation is slow but indeed that story is good. When you look at the novel. You will see lots of settings that involve there per each story of the girls/heroine. Laser gun isn't the last of sci fi weapon you will see __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2013-03-29, 06:39	Link #1168
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	actually Rekka DID GET Spoiler: the magical sword and guess what its a sword that cuts through magic. Means he is practically got the best magic slayer sword and a freaking canon. Not counting the help from the girls and gadgets he will get from Eris in the future the magitect technology was also being teach by Crowley right? from what I read before when we are discussing the book of laws. Magitech was been mentioned. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2013-03-29, 01:13	Link #1163
kaizerknight01 Extra Superior Otaku Join Date: Sep 2008	Beh who cares 'bout magic sword if you have BFG behold the power of science AKA [ Beam spam ] Spoiler for talk about being anti climatic:

2013-03-29, 06:03	Link #1164
whitecloud Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	or magic like the one in mahouka rettousei, like cocytus (mind freeze), mist dispersal, and its extension material burst in that series magic is practically science with the use of chips, and electronics to cast magic and is different from personal reality as well, except ancient magic there is no deity, creepy ritual and the likes...the anglican church will be pulling their hairs out....

2013-03-29, 06:31	Link #1167
whitecloud Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Yeah the guy is cheating...laser gun to defeat dragon...when he supposed to used holy sword...basically cross story cheating with multiple heroine the manga is funny...

2013-03-29, 06:58	Link #1169
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Crowley teaches a different style of magic that doesn't require any of the old world Deities I think. He also made huge improvements in the study of magic that wasn't seen in the centuries before. Remember what Birdway had said about writing with your left foot? Not only is he writing with his left foot, but he has done it in a way that makes it better than those using their right hand to write. Anyway the Magitech I'm talking about is literally using machines for magic, or have a very scientific method of casting spells. Mahouka fits this, and so does Nanoha. __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2013-03-29, 07:10	Link #1170
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	Aleister uses the machines attach to him in refining his life force. Its practically the one producing his magic and prolonging his life. Nanoha has sketchy math and just pump mana into the device and let it rip. While in mahouka you need programs for your cad to use magic. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2013-03-29, 08:06	Link #1172
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	magic formulas and magic circles with summoner, cyborg, then vampires and lots and lots more to add to it of whatever the staff behind it think they can add to nanohaverse. But really =_= its more on massive amount of magic and pump it into your device then zenryoku zenkai blast away the enemies. That's most of the thing I remember in nanoha, a's, strikers, then the 2 manga adaptation that I rarely read. though there are variation for vivid but the same can be said for force -_- I'm not a fan of forceful power strike which is why I don't like material burst that much but Tatsuya's other spell like for destroying spell and disintegrating targets are okay for me. Huge explosions aren't really just my thing -_- they can be cuy, deflect or nullify, depending on the situation and settings. I consider magic or ability that can read the enemies movement, predict the future, or ability to sense danger, much more appealing. And lets not talk about imagine breaker with it only effective on Touma's right hand. It can be considered hax but the same time its only on his right hand! there are lots of ways to kill him but none happens because Touma actually thinks. Even peppered by guns won't kill him easily though he admits it feels like hell when actually gotten hit by one. A much more restricted and much more creative ability is what I like more. The type that you can play with while imagining different type of scenarios. Its much more exciting than blasting your opponent -_- __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2013-03-29, 13:43	Link #1174
Ashaman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Age: 34	Do all spells use Idol Theory? __________________

2013-03-29, 17:25	Link #1176
Ashaman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Age: 34	You see, that's what I'm not sure upon - I'm not convinced that that's Idol Theory in the "Borrowing Power" aspect though, what with all the power coming from the magician. Its more like they are using the legends as blue prints for spells. Its not Idol Theory, its plagerism in the face of lack of imagination and a healthy dose of laziness. __________________

2013-03-29, 17:28	Link #1177
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	If you're just referring to the power aspects, then we already know that magicians can fuel their own spells just fine.... Obvious exceptions aside. __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2013-03-29, 17:46	Link #1178
Ashaman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Age: 34	That's what I'm trying to say. The fact that these spells fail to qualify as Idol Theory under the very most basic qualification of Idol Theory - that power is borrowed from an outside source- tells me that its not Idol Theory. __________________

2013-03-30, 01:07	Link #1179
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Would using the language of babel count as magic?