2012-04-29, 08:07 | Link #103 | |
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Then there's the precarious fact that if the United States 7th fleet did intervene, the PLA could be left with tens of thousands of their soldiers stranded on a hostile island country with no support, or way to escape. Seeing an entire army get taken prisoner wholesale on an ill advised foreign adventure would be a public relations nightmare for the Chinese government.
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It is a small start, but it is a way to go. Most of the countries here still conduct cross training with the US and UK and buying their equipment, being more self-reliant in terms of material and training should be a good way to go.
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Of course, the Chinese Navy would simply just level the whole place to the ground with en-masse air/missile strikes. Quote:
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2012-04-29, 11:38 | Link #105 |
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Chinese navy and army are still couple decades behind US. The Chinese know this. They are not going to escalate the South China Sea disputes into a full-scale war. Pentagon is also shifting focus to Pacific, including new base in Australia - a clear signal that US is devoted to maintain their military advantage, and will not abandon their allies in SEA.
There is close to zero chance of actual war. For the simple reason that both sides know that it won't benefit themselves. China cannot win yet. US is just not interested in another war. The situation is unlikely to change in foreseeable future. |
2012-04-29, 21:32 | Link #106 |
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China rejects Philippine request for mediation in sea row
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/china-rejec...173549025.html China know they violate UNCLOS 1982, which they already signed. so they dont want to lose to a small country. |
2012-04-29, 21:43 | Link #107 | |
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2012-04-29, 21:45 | Link #108 | |
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With US intervention potentially out of the picture, it becomes easier to see why China isn't backing down in a maritime standoff with its southern neighbor. It has a chance of getting away with a 1988 China vs Vietnam-style naval skirmish, if the two navies come to blows over the current dispute. Even if you say the Chinese Navy is outdated, the Philippine Navy as it stands now is much more outdated.
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2012-04-29, 21:51 | Link #109 |
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Lol did anyone even believe that our navy would last 30 minutes in a real fight?
Like I said before, for all the demanding macho posing many fringe civil society groups are doing in the streets, it stands to fact and reason that we're fucked in a fight, so it's funny that they protest both against China's incursion and any other foreign military presence.
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2012-04-29, 22:13 | Link #110 |
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To be fair, I think there are others who don't know just how weak the Philippine Navy is. A few Chinese anti-ship missiles will solve China's problem in a confrontation. Their opponents won't be able to return fire because they don't really have anything comparable.
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2012-04-29, 22:49 | Link #111 |
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Slight off topic, but it might help to diffuse the stereotype a little bit.
China launches Compass duo via Long March 3B.
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2012-04-29, 23:09 | Link #113 |
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Check the previous page.
As for all the talks about wars, there won't be one! All China needs is constant patrol of the area. You don't need firing shots for that. As for the Philippines, are they going to fire at Chinese patrol ships, then cry "bully"? Or are they going to sacrifice their own ships in order to get a US base back on their own land?
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2012-04-29, 23:29 | Link #114 | |
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And knowing how the Dokdo situation was done in the 1950's~1960's, I can imagine such a scenario happening. |
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2012-04-30, 00:16 | Link #115 | ||
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The Filipino navy doing so could be counted as a "aggressive intent", giving the China navy the "right of self-defence". China knows this, and they are baiting with all that posturing, while the Filipino nationalists are just aggravating by calling for war. It is the geography of the area and the waters around Scarborough that makes it a tenous issue of China not to be given the rights to that place. If China quotes "peaceful rise" all the time, how about leaving SEA alone? This issue isn't about the island itself. It is about the naval boundaries China is going to draw after they cliam that place. China reach in focus at U.S.- Philippine security talks Quote:
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2012-04-30, 01:50 | Link #116 |
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As a Filipino. I'm definitely want US to help us out. I'm being frank. My country isn't that strong. We are weak in military technology but will still continue to fight even in a losing battle to the bitter end. Just give as the same weapon and will fight better than anyone.
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2012-04-30, 02:00 | Link #117 | |
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2012-04-30, 02:15 | Link #118 |
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There won't be a war for quite sometime, not until China has completed their aircraft carriers and beaten US near Taiwan (or until the US military declines and their society collapses under the yoke of public debt).
The real issue is how China is going to draw the naval boundaries with regards to Scarborough, and that is what the media around the world are not focusing on. If they draw it around the islands straight from Hainan, then they would called stupid to allow military encirclement. If they draw it anywhere outside of that, they would be deemed as greedy and audacious going near Philippines, even if they included Taiwan in their territory. If they knew this is going to happen, why do that? They are just showing off their milpeen because of those fishermen and refusing to back down - if they fear losing their face so much go post more on Facebook.
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2012-04-30, 02:40 | Link #120 |
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Those Chinese fishermen are more of sea hunters for me for they even hunt down endangered sea turtles and black corals that are protect by Philippine law. Why would fish on a far away place anyway, like 840kms!? well, unless greed is the major driving factor, I would say.
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