2012-11-14, 00:45 | Link #561 | |
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You'll have to give me an hour or so for me to fetch the damn thing. PS: I should digitize everything I have and carry it on me one of these days. "one of these days" seems to be one of those things that never comes.
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2012-11-14, 00:51 | Link #562 |
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Regardless of whether or not Sinbad pitched in or not, there's one thing that Moganett missed out... or perhaps even he doesn't even know about it.
Yamuraiha has Magoi Storage Magic Tools. Doesn't that theoretically mean that so long as there's measures to which Yamuraiha could sustain and store reasonable outputs of magic, presumably with assistance of other mages in Sindria ( I'm assuming she's not the only one... ), she shouldn't be facing the so-called early death scenario that Moganett is thinking she's in. Maybe she is, but at this point, it's pure speculation even on Moganett's part, just because that's how his 'magic system' works in his kingdom. Actually, this whole discussion on the system of his nation is so very ironic, when coupled with the fact that Yamuraiha has the ability to create magoi storing tools. Because in that scenario, if Yamuraiha was capable of creating a huge enough magoi storing tank for there to be a 'manageable supply of magoi', and Moganett was less racist and created a taxation rule that didn't treat gois like livestock... His nation could be a lot better, without massively sacrificing the current ability to maintain it's magic. ( Some would be sacrificed, since nothing beats brute extraction to the point it could kill physically weak people, but hey, you win some, you lose some. )
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2012-11-14, 01:02 | Link #563 | |
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ah, got it. It was in volume 12.
Yamu says the two kekkai were created by her and the King. I was assuming what the king did to create them was pitching in his magoi since he's not a magician himself, what else could it mean? But I guess that's making assumption on my end too. Then there's the magoi battery. Quote:
Dumberdouch, like I said, is way over his head, when in fact he's not as all-knowing as he claims to be. Obviously this one genius has at least one technology in the upper hand than him.
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2012-11-14, 01:04 | Link #564 | |
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1) Sinbad is capable of doing some pretty questionable things if it means protecting his nation. 2) Sinbad did help develop the barrier. However, it is unknown if he actually actively powers it. 3) Yamu probably would lie to Sinbad about the real costs of the barrier to protect a nation she loves if there is a cost. 4) Yamu is kind of selfless...sometimes, basically she still thinks like Moganett used to. 5) The Magoi storage device is probably very difficult to make seeing that it is such a new technology and noone else seem to be able to replicate that, which begs the question of whether the Yamu can scale it up (instead of the smaller ones she wears on herself) Though I think it probably make some of Shakkarn's words more sinister if Yamu is indeed burning herself out for Sindaria, you know...his constant admolistions for her to "stop messing around with Magic" and "Magic sucks, Swordsmanship is enough". Though that could be over-reading into things. However, we all know YamuxShakky is basically the only canon couple in this manga (and the bestest couple)...so Shakky being concerned for Yamu is not....out of the question. |
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2012-11-14, 01:08 | Link #565 | ||
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If you go by the Christian set of beliefs, then the choice of self exile is the correct choice, as the best choice a Christian can make in this situation is to leave the city and repent via exile. I don't believe a Christian would kill innocents (all the children who have not learned of the truth yet) to save another innocent. There is also comfort to know that the child who suffers would be saved after death. If you don't subscribe to any kind of greater truth/law, then both choices are correct. The people who choose to stay in the city accept that it is a necessary evil and the people who leave decide to punish themselves via exile. In both cases, the chooser is at peace with themselves, but the child who is made to suffer is not saved, and the system is not changed in any way to prevent further suffering. The 'correct' choice really depends on what kind of world belief you subscribe to. I personally think any 'correct' choice would involve the asking the whether they want to be free. Of course, it's not as simple as just going up to them and asking, as they might not even be able to comprehend the choice you're offering them, or the ramifications should they decide to be free. However, if somehow you can create a situation where they can make an informed decision and they choose freedom, and everyone in the city is made aware of that decision, then I believe the right choice would be to do everything in your power to help that child become free. Quote:
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2012-11-14, 01:10 | Link #566 |
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Oh, and as for reductionist argument... My stance is "if the shoe fits". There's no need to dance around the subject, when a pile of bullshit stinks, you know what it is. You may say "but but but that's simplifying things!" Yeah, well, complex maze made out of bull dung is still BS. IMHO of course. Mogamett is an arrogant prick who is way over his head. There's no need to defend it, it's plain as the sky is blue. And I wouldn't argue WHY the sky is blue, it's pointless. The situation here isn't as complex as people make it out to be. In fact, it's actually quite simple! The probem isn't the system, the gois, the nature of society and behavior of slums... nope. One racist douchebag. Correction. One BLIND racist douchebag. That's all.
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2012-11-14, 01:19 | Link #567 | ||
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If Sinbad's actively condoning something that'll kill her? Even Ja'far, whom is almost surely the most trusted and loyal of the Eight Generals already feel super uncomfortable with what Sinbad does... with outsiders, much less their own. Quote:
( which should be, since the author mentioned it was supposed to be an official omake at first. ) Moganett seems to have caused her to have a fetish/preference for older men + beards. >.>
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2012-11-14, 01:19 | Link #568 | |
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Magoshuatt's system does have certain strengths that make it better than the cattle slavery or even serfdom that is pervalent in the rest of Magi's world. More importantly, how to dismantle the system without causing massive deaths (like Kassim vs Aladdin) is a legitimate question. Sindaria is a completely outlier because 1) Island Nation with a small population 2) It basically has a free nearly-infinite protein source and the ability to exploit it 3) Trade Route and the exclusive exports that are in great demand 4) The existance of what is basically a nuclear weapon that ensures the nation's survival and power (Sinbad). |
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2012-11-14, 01:23 | Link #569 | ||
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The fact is, we're seeing events of Magnoshutatt in god-perspective, with no historical interpretation necessary. We can see the vile in its rawest form, basically how "it is". Because as readers we are seeing from a unique perspective, the baggage such as historical viewpoint can be entirely neglected, we are given a third-person view already. So no, it's not bad at all to call out what is. Quote:
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2012-11-14, 01:24 | Link #570 | ||
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"I'm only making it less worse!! And look at all the goodie bags and freebies I give!!" Politician talk at its finest and lowest. Quote:
Not including the tons of crazies in Pixiv that pair Yamuraiha with every other members of the Generals ( except Ja'far, because somehow Ja'far x Sinbad is a Magi fangirl's wet dream )
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2012-11-14, 01:25 | Link #571 | |||
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Though I do admit I am probably overreading it AS I SAID BEFORE. Quote:
It is just that Shakky is more...obvious than Yamu. Quote:
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2012-11-14, 01:40 | Link #572 | ||
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I think Moghamett is rather intended as a grey at first outlook, but once you take away the facade, completely dark. Him being an evil that's not self-aware leads to the previous statement about rukh not being an absolute guideline. The story is, in my opinion, a growth for Aladdin to judge with his own eyes instead of relying on rukh. And for that to work, Dumberdouche has to be a "bad guy". Quote:
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2012-11-14, 01:54 | Link #573 | ||
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The white/black Rukh thing is basically hating one's destiny, which COULD lead to dog-kicking evilness (Kassim and to some extent Dunya). Considering how well things are going for Mogamett, I doubt you will see that unless things crash and burn horribly. Unlike Kassim and Dunya who channeled their unhappy past to "destructive" pursuits, Moganett....channeled his unhappy past into making what seems to be a "constructive" vision to help his fellow magicians (he is maybe glad that it open his eyes from his old "wrong" beliefs). I think therein lies the difference. You are right that Aladdin probably learn not to fully trust the white Rukh here, but that is secondary to... I think the real growth here is for Aladdin to see that a perfectly good intentioned, even kind, person can end up doing evil that leads to everyone's ruin. Almost every single villian he has met thus far is either evil because of ambition/greed (The early filler villians + Kassim), or wallowing in hatred and revenge (Dunya). Aladdin even noted that Mogarett sincerely wants to help all the magicians and there is zero doubt about that. Quote:
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But you see, that's were we differ.
I don't give two-crap about SOB story for a douchebag. I really don't care if Stalin had "good intentions". Regardless of what kind of sob story they have, a racist prick is a racist prick, and their supposed "complexity" means jack to me. That's where the "if the shoe fits" comes in play. It would satisfy me to see Sceherazade step on his face with a heel, laughing off his "pity" at her, putting the young lad (by comparison) in his place. Actually, that would be sex. Hell, boards will be filled with worshippers immediately. C'mon, yall agree that would be sex, right? *looks at the crowd* Imagine Scheherazade with that same look Aladdin gave Jamil back in Amon dungeon, that "you filthy piece of trash" look down, stepping on him with a high heel. That's some serious porn right there.
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2012-11-14, 04:56 | Link #575 | ||
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A racist prick can be a racist prick for no valid reason based on fantasies about the "other". On the other hand, a racist prick can also be a racist prick because his experiences taught him that it is true. The reality is that both the nobles, the king and the commoners that he once helped turned against him and his kind, this hardens attitudes...and gives his story selling power to his fellow magicians (Just like the Hol***** have selling power to alot of the Is****is about their treatment of the Pal*******s, another example is WW2 with the Chi**** against the Ja*******.) The complexity matters when we want to see the possible solutions to the problem, his "SOB" story matter when you need to dismantle it to win over the other magicians for something new. Or is the closed fist going to solve all the problems? (aka just punch any magician that disagrees?) Quote:
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It's a shounen manga, and a good, swift, punch to the face is satisfying. There, I said it. I don't mind a Luffy-approach of, "STFU PUNCH, ok, jerk is out of my way. You people deal with your own issues, not my problem". No really, if the resolve is to have Christ-like savior to do all the work for them, I say to hell with it. Obviously Aladdin is not Luffy, so he'll try to come up with an answer of his own. But he shouldn't be providing all the answers anyways. That's spoiling the miserable human populace. He is not a revolutionalist, a politician, nor is he here to babysit the stupid mortals. Look, we all agree that the fundamental idea of magoi tax isn't the issue, it's the execution. And that all comes down to the racial blindness of the leader at the core of the issue, nothing else. It's quite simple. If you want the boring "Hey let's talk some sense into the man, he's not that unreasonable!". Well, good luck with that, let's just bore the crap out of Weekly Shounen Sunday readership shall we. Nah, this is an action adventure shounen manga. Not a political fantasy porn. Thus, I want a satisfying shounen action adventure resolve. It's very simple. "I'd enjoy seeing the douche get what's coming to him." This is not Bessatsu Business Political Monthly Big Comics Spirits Superior FXDXYZ. Quote:
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2012-11-14, 05:34 | Link #577 | |
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There is nothing wrong with getting a realistic settlement AND pwning the bad guy. Though I still think Chancellor has not went full on EVLUL yet. Plus some realism could make this the next FMA, you know. Instead of the next....Bleach (a series where the solution is to punch the next guy). Well, at least you are true and honest with your desires. |
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A good, well deserved, punch in his face, delivered by our loving protagonist! You know how the main political antagonist, The Fuhrer was resolved? STABBY STABBY, kill that mofo! I mean, it invovled various characters from various factions, all pitching in fists/swords/guns/alchemy to kill that glorious mofo.
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2012-11-14, 05:45 | Link #579 | |
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Yes, the final enemy in FMA is resolved by beating the shit out of the enemy. However, that enemy is a non-negotiable genocidal maniac, which is quite different from the other foes. Additionally, since he is a genocidal maniac, it really is not hard to get everyone who is sane to ally against him (Even the mad war-loving sociopath alchemist on their side in the end, at least in spirit). I still don't think Morganett is at that level...yet, not to mention that he has massive magician backing and a genuine desire for the betterment of Magicians. While he sees the Goi as animals, he isn't out to kill em all. Not-genocidal maniac there. |
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2012-11-14, 05:54 | Link #580 | |
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And Mustang is obviously Sindbad, with tons of parallels. And like I said, Wrath was taken down by force. My shounen logic? Treat kids like pests, kick a crying pleading child in the face, and you deserve to get punched. Prefabably more than once. I cannot believe you can't see that... or have you not read the newest chapter?
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