Macross Frontier (Macross 25) general discussion [No Spoilers]

[Onizuka-GTO]

all fair in love and war.

[N-Bomb]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Waiting on Klein Klan to debut

Klein Klan is both awesome and annoying.

[4Tran]

Pizza Hut is planning a promotion for Macross Frontier:

Pizza Hut of Japan announced more details in its promotional campaign that is tied to the ongoing Macross Frontier robot anime series. Starting on May 12, people who order a medium-sized pizza will get a pizza box with a Macross Frontier design. Among those who order their pizzas online, 25 people will win signed recording scripts, manga, CDs, and posters. The campaign will also offer free computer and phone wallpaper, as well as vocal ring tones for mobile phones. The tie-in will promote the restaurant chain's new Shoka no Half & Half (Early Summer Half and Half) pizza: a half Seafood Mix pizza of lobster, squid, and broccoli, and a half Tartar Chicken pizza. Pizza Hut has tied its campaigns with anime ranging from Evangelion and Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion to Maria-sama ga Miteru.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...n-new-campaign

[Onizuka-GTO]

where? i can't seem to see any reference to it.

in CG it's pretty obvious, probably because of the background.

but i don't think i'll be able to take a Zentradi chomping on a full size zentradi pizza.

so is there any in-scene advertisement? or is it so subtle, it can't be counted?

[4Tran]

There's two reasons why you won't see too much reference to Pizza Hut: the first is that the campaign isn't supposed to start until May 12; the second is that the promotion is much like the kind of movie tie-in promotion that you probably see in the UK. As such, there won't necessarily be any actual promotion of the product in the movie or Macross Frontier, but you get nifty related merchandise if you buy certain versions of the product. For example, that's the way the Maria-sama ga Miteru promotion worked, and it ran without there being any new Marimite works at all. While Code Geass did this to an amazingly blatant degree, it shouldn't be expected of any other franchise.

[ipernorris]

Originally Posted by glyph

To that end, the UN pursued an aggressive policy of colonizing across the galaxy, so that a single system-wide catastrophe, first contact with a hostile wandering Zentradi fleet or other as yet unknown hostile forces could not end everything by wiping out a single world.

Yes I can understand that and i remember Misa from the original Macross saying something along these lines, but even so it could be sufficient to send colonies around the galaxy... what's the need of colonizing planets? A mobile settlement is much more efficient than a fixed one.

[cerrian]

Originally Posted by ipernorris

Yes I can understand that and i remember Misa from the original Macross saying something along these lines, but even so it could be sufficient to send colonies around the galaxy... what's the need of colonizing planets? A mobile settlement is much more efficient than a fixed one.

The answer is surprisingly simple. Exploitation of natural resources and a stable environment to promote growth. Not to mention it provides a point of centralization for economies, industries, culture, and government.

[ipernorris]

Originally Posted by cerrian

The answer is surprisingly simple. Exploitation of natural resources and a stable environment to promote growth. Not to mention it provides a point of centralization for economies, industries, culture, and government.

Well the colonies seem to be pretty indipendent by themselves: they can probably recycle evreything and they created an artificial ecosystem so new planets aren't needed that much. Not to mention that resources can be exploited from asteroids too and anyway when a colony needs some resources it can stop near a suitable planet, exploit what resources are needed and then leave. Anyway I guess there isn't a unique answer to my question: in Macross world humanity has chosen to spread around the galaxy and colonize new planets so that's it.

PS As a side note: the strategy to spread the cuture through the galaxy in order to make it harder to destroy it it's quite flawed as well. It's true that having the culture concentrated in only one planet makes it vulnerable to being erased easily by a powerful enemy, but it's true that you can guard it with more forces. Spreading the culture around the galaxy you scatter your defenses as well and if the enemy is powerful and has large number it would be easier to destroy the culture.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by ipernorris

As a side note: the strategy to spread the cuture through the galaxy in order to make it harder to destroy it it's quite flawed as well. It's true that having the culture concentrated in only one planet makes it vulnerable to being erased easily by a powerful enemy, but it's true that you can guard it with more forces. Spreading the culture around the galaxy you scatter your defenses as well and if the enemy is powerful and has large number it would be easier to destroy the culture.

Isolationism is never a good thing.

The best defence is an offence.

By spreading the forces outwards, you have a better chance of detecting hostile enemies before they even reach the earth, hence the normadic fleets and the attempt to colonize all the available planets to create a buffer zone to the home territories.

Besides as seen in Macross Plus, Earth is INSANELY Guard, the entire orbit is surrounded by weapons satellites, the higher orbit is guarded by, i reckon a battalion of capital ships that don't stop until you reach Mar's orbit.

Seriously, the Solar System is packed already.

Just leaving such a big force like that, is at a risk of stagnation.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Don't forget that spreading around the galaxy also means a proactive drive to assimilate whatever remaing pockets of Zentrandi and Meltrandi there is.

Take Vividas from Macross 7 for example. Her planet of origin did not have culture.
She was assimilated to the miclone-zentran society and is enamored by drumming.

Another is Chlore's fleet of Meltrandi that got culture shocked by Nekki Basara.

UN Spacy is creating a galactic wide civilization not seen since the days of the Protoculture's Stellar Republic.

If a civil war were to happen in the Macross universe it would be epic scale scary.

It is perhaps a real good move that autonomous civilian governments exist in the fleets as the power would not be centralized to one person.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Don't forget that spreading around the galaxy also means a proactive drive to assimilate whatever remaing pockets of Zentrandi and Meltrandi there is.

Take Vividas from Macross 7 for example. Her planet of origin did not have culture.
She was assimilated to the miclone-zentran society and is enamored by drumming.

Another is Chlore's fleet of Meltrandi that got culture shocked by Nekki Basara.

UN Spacy is creating a galactic wide civilization not seen since the days of the Protoculture's Stellar Republic.

If a civil war were to happen in the Macross universe it would be epic scale scary.

It is perhaps a real good move that autonomous civilian governments exist in the fleets as the power would not be centralized to one person.

Yeah, while the Military escorts of all the fleets still occasional refer back to the UN Spacy HQ for advice, the current political nature of this expanding civilization is more or less a Federation/Commonwealth of Decultured

:3

[ipernorris]

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

Isolationism is never a good thing.

The best defence is an offence.

By spreading the forces outwards, you have a better chance of detecting hostile enemies before they even reach the earth, hence the normadic fleets and the attempt to colonize all the available planets to create a buffer zone to the home territories.

Besides as seen in Macross Plus, Earth is INSANELY Guard, the entire orbit is surrounded by weapons satellites, the higher orbit is guarded by, i reckon a battalion of capital ships that don't stop until you reach Mar's orbit.

Seriously, the Solar System is packed already.

Just leaving such a big force like that, is at a risk of stagnation.

Yeah you're right isolationism is wrong: in fact I meant that defending millions of planets is much more difficult than defending a few tens of them, not that humans and zentradi has to live on Earth and do not expand in the galaxy. Then I observed that mobile colonies are much more efficient than fixed ones so in theory humans and zentradi could live only on colonizing fleets and exploiting planets/asteroids resources only when it's needed as they are self-sufficient. This way if a huge enemy fleet attacks a colonization fleet it has just to fold in/fold out: the various colonies can be scattered or concentrated at need as well.
Anyway I do not want to polemize with Macross model of expansion: I enjoy the show as it is of course.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Well i think it's more or less the situation that you mentioned, as in a mobile colony model,

I mean its been 50yrs or so, but at the moment only two colonized planets (excluding earth) can be confirmed in the Macross universe. (not including the games)

Eden (Macross Plus) and the Varuta (Macross 7)

I don't think those colony fleets have any pre-fixed destination or planet to aim for, they seem happy to wander about until they suddenly decide it's a good idea to settle on a planet.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by ipernorris

Yeah you're right isolationism is wrong: in fact I meant that defending millions of planets is much more difficult than defending a few tens of them, not that humans and zentradi has to live on Earth and do not expand in the galaxy. Then I observed that mobile colonies are much more efficient than fixed ones so in theory humans and zentradi could live only on colonizing fleets and exploiting planets/asteroids resources only when it's needed as they are self-sufficient. This way if a huge enemy fleet attacks a colonization fleet it has just to fold in/fold out: the various colonies can be scattered or concentrated at need as well.
Anyway I do not want to polemize with Macross model of expansion: I enjoy the show as it is of course.

No, mobile colonies really aren't as good as fixed ones. (Except, of course, for their mobility.)

It makes everything - starting with mining and agriculture - more complicated and costly. It also means you need severe population control. And that comparatively few bombs are enough to wipe out everyone in it. (Of course, if planet busters are widely available, that's not quite true, but I don't think they are.)

[4Tran]

As previously stated, the main impetus for creating the colony fleets is to ensure that a single enemy would be unable to destroy the human race in one fell swoop. For that purpose, having permanent worlds allows for much more room for growth that makes for a more resilient population. Assuming that each fleet had a million or more people, then they each would have the resources and capacity to avoid extinction.

[SpaceDrake]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

No, mobile colonies really aren't as good as fixed ones. (Except, of course, for their mobility.)

It makes everything - starting with mining and agriculture - more complicated and costly. It also means you need severe population control. And that comparatively few bombs are enough to wipe out everyone in it. (Of course, if planet busters are widely available, that's not quite true, but I don't think they are.)

The Zentraedi didn't planet-bust Earth, so no. The most powerful weapons available are the large cannons mounted on the Super Dimensional Fortresses.

With the widespread availability of fusion power, however, I'm not sure that mining is really such a problem. Asteroids tend to feature massive concentrations of metals; one of the big drives for the evolution of modern space travel is obtaining the ability to 'fetch' asteroids from their various pockets in the solar system and return them to Earth orbit for exploitation, which would neatly provide civilization with building material for centuries at a time. With the propulsion and power systems the SDF-1 provided humanity in Macross, it can't be that difficult to run large-scale mining operations during the sedentary periods of a given fleet.

Agriculture is harder, and we see even in this episode that it's a bit of a pain; entire Islands have to be dedicated to it almost exclusively. From what Sheryl says it sounds like Frontier does it the pleasant way; I imagine Galaxy uses blander methods of food production that generally result in something nutritious, but flavorless (or worse.) An actual planet is definitely preferable in this regard.

[CaptGloval]

Well, whaddya know, Macross Frontier has forced this lurker to finally sign up

I'm a long-time Macross fan, starting with the time I stumbled upon a Robotech Macross Saga rerun in the local TV back in 1996. What left me disappointed was that the TV network inexplicably discontinued the show by episode 25 (yeah I know, what a cliffhanger), which left me with a longing to finish the awesomeness. I learned of the "True and Pure Macross" :lol: upon discovering Macross Zero, and I finally finished SDF Macross thanks to Youtube (fixing ruined childhoods since 2005). MF renewed my interest in Macross and led me to see Macross Plus, the soundtrack of which made me truly believe in the Power of Music

So far I like what I see in MF. It has the same vibe as SDFM: not so serious, but not dumb either, just perfect balance. I'm glad it has drawn new converts to the fanbase.

[Onizuka-GTO]

welcome comrade!

You should also try macross 7. (on youtube as well. )
It'll give you a better understanding why music matter so much to the Proto-culture, and why the link appears in Macross Zero and now in Macross Frontier.

Lets hope more of the infidels see the truth faith! renounce Karl Macek the Anti-Macross!

[CaptGloval]

Ah yes, Macross 7. I've seen snippets here and there but the fact that it has 50 episodes and other specials is daunting. Actually, Frontier has made me understand M7 somewhat and helped me remove my initial incredulity over its premise Maybe after Frontier I'll check it out.

[squaresphere]

the best thing, watch M7 eps in between waiting for the new frontier eps