2009-03-16, 17:30 | Link #4021 | |
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And i am not looking "closely" either, it just hits me. When i see actions like these, i am like "whut, whut?" Different perspectives, from total different bridges as well. 8D Well, as long as you do not alter the facts, it is ok. I mean, people can like bastard characters too. {i liked Johan from Monster, but that was because of his diabolic intelligence, something that Cornelia seems to lack of and she was never that interesting to me. Then again, i compare two total different things, now that i think about it. |DD;} What i meant really, is that characters can be enjoyable and find likable-traces to them, even if they are not good-nature-normal-nature=morals, as long as you can identify an interesting-essence about them. And Britannia-side, never did that to me. {except Euphie and maybe Lloyd and Cecile, they brought me gag-moments 8D} |
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He's quoting history for you. Quite factually that is what Hitler did, he did not just kill them out of personal hatred, he used them to unify Germany through its common hatred. He did this with Jewish, Gypsies, Homosexuals, and foreigners. |
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2009-03-16, 17:45 | Link #4024 | ||||
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And Lloyd. And... well, I like most characters, including Cornelia and Schneizel. But I could fangirl Clovis all day, and adore the mad scientist. xD Ah, I think I don't have the time to reply to everything you said, Frost, so I'll try to sum some things up in very few words: I just can't compare Code Geass characters to Hitler. I don't know those who served under said dictator personally, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have liked them much even if they were fictional characters with exact the same personality. Quote:
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And I'm pretty sure he would have killed them all "for fun" anyway.
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2009-03-16, 17:57 | Link #4025 | ||
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The only difference here, between the fictional killers and the historical counterparts, is that the fictional ones are infront of you and you can "familiarize yourself with them" somewhat. That doesn't, however, change who they are. As you said yourself, you tend to ignore the morals while watching the show. You are liking characters based on nothing more than how they appeal to you. Of course the historical figures, which will never appeal to you since no one is going to try to make them appeal to you, would be a distinct disadvantage to garner your liking, no matter how similar they are to their fictional analogies. Quote:
Um... you're basing this on what, exactly? He killed disabled for the exact same reason, to unify the nation. That was under the pretense of strength through unity of the perfect race. His success in unifying Germany is evidant in just how far his warmachine went. |
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2009-03-16, 18:01 | Link #4026 | |
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2009-03-16, 18:04 | Link #4027 | |
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2009-03-16, 18:06 | Link #4028 | |
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@ Eliarine: Good to know I'm not alone. @ Frost: I didnt forget. But, I just got the impression that the whole "trash talk" scene didnt matter to her at that point, or at least that she wasnt as upset about it anymore. They did end up working together later on, and I dont think Kallen is the type to side with someone she really hates. But again, I could be wrong.
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2009-03-16, 18:10 | Link #4030 | |
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2009-03-16, 18:13 | Link #4031 | |
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I suppose, on her list of Britannia-pigs, he is a bit of a step above from the others, since they co-operated and stuff. 8D |
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2009-03-16, 18:18 | Link #4032 | |
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but she does like some Britannians, lets not forget Lelouch and student council. lol, sorry, thats not really relevant here is it? EDIT: I agree with you, Sky.
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2009-03-16, 18:34 | Link #4033 |
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Of course she likes some Britannians because the ones you listed were good people, though one of them was a bit crazy. Fortunaly (?), she's never heard Gino say some of the more idiotic things he said early on in the series or to Suzaku later on, otherwise she may well not like him.
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2009-03-16, 18:37 | Link #4034 | |
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2009-03-16, 18:41 | Link #4035 |
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they didnt work together all that much when you really think about it
he opened the door for her after HE tried to take suzaku all by himself and failed and he ended up catching her when she fell AFTER her life or death dual with suzaku
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2009-03-16, 18:43 | Link #4036 | |
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If we go by hearing what he said during the 1 million zeroes thing, then she would have probably killed him. ... Looks like he would have been dead either way. |
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2009-03-16, 18:47 | Link #4037 | |
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Kallen on the other hand, she had a hell of more chances. And well, she did her "part" too. |D; So in a way, you can say they co-operated. {she even acknowledged that tiny contribution of him, with a "thanks" 8D} But like i said, this does not mean he is on her "yay friends list". But it is not unfair to say, that she does not see him, as she used to. "See" as in hate. 8D It is kind of better than this. |
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2009-03-17, 07:52 | Link #4038 |
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^ Of course I agree with this, and I see no other possible way to interpret that small, inconclusive yet present scene for Gino if not for showing he is changed from the person he was in turn 17. There must be a reason why that scene is there, and as sky pointed out before - your smooth mode is the awesomeness indeed, darling - the reading that makes sense the most is 'even people that were so distant before are finding a common ground because of this and that'.
Crappy development? rushed development? could be, most probably is, but it is there and it's proportionate to the small relevance Gino had to the plot, way more proportionate than any change occurred for Cornelia given her starting position. So, c'mon guys, you can't simply trash away this saying 'it's too small of a change' or asking, to believe that characters actually changed even a little, to have the same development Lelouch had, and I don't see how one can ask for this much, in a series that is so strongly centered on its protagonist and gives a lot less space to anyone else. Ask for better, okay, but little we have, little we have to go with... About the potential Geass - now that was funny =) - Shirley would probably get some empathic power - like Mao, but more on the emotional level - so that she can know if she can trust people or not - a lie detector, similar to what Grey said about Suzaku. Lloyd might have a 'knowledge sucker' geass: absorbing knowledge from people with eye contact, and maybe even transmitting knowledge to someone else. Jeremiah would have the Geass of absolute loyalty: being possessed by the consicence of the person he chose as his master at his own will. Karen and Suzaku, I don't know, but I'm in the line of some enhancement of senses, like speed, as other said, or 360°view (byakugan, yay! XD) Schneizel might have some 'emotions killer' geass: people become apathetic intelligences without any emotion at all. Last edited by Levy; 2009-03-17 at 08:13. |
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He changes mighty fast, if we're going by take what little you are given... or he just lied to Kallen and refused to tell her why he was fighting. |
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2009-03-17, 08:37 | Link #4040 |
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Frosty dear (or anyone else, like machin-quote-gun!man-morbos, thanks! :3 ), copypaste me the quote because all I could find in that line browsing the episode was "Lelouch, I do not aknowledge your Britannia!" that is not THAT contraddicting all of this, simply, that he thinks that Lelouch is doing shit, and who could argue this....? Lelouch is doing shit on purpose!
mah subs failed me a couple of times before, I won't be surprised if they did again, still, that's all I could find. |
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