Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by anonfr

How in the hell would Phalanx counter it? It's a mental attack. As soon as you see him, you die. Just dead. It's an image planted in your mind, not an attack magic phalanx can block.
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There are 2 reasons I give Phalanx the benefit of the doubt.
Because it is the best defense in the verse and because of this quote from v04

Spoiler for Quote from v04:

"No...... I doubt that's the original 'Phalanx'."
Multi-layered Defensive Magic "Phalanx" was practically another
name for the Juumonji Family.
However, most people never got a chance to catch a glimpse of this
magic.
That's because, in general, there was no need to create a barrier that
defended against all major systems and types of magic.
Under the condition that multiple Magicians were attacking the same
target, more attacks would lead to an increase in the variability in the
types of attack magic and increase the risk for magic interference. All
of this was well known.
It wasn't that Tatsuya had beheld this magic before.
In the earlier match, the multi-layered barrier that Katsuto cast did
include magic from all systems and types of magic.
That truly was "Phalanx".
Still, Tatsuya wasn't able to accept this conjecture so easily

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

There are 2 reasons I give Phalanx the benefit of the doubt.
Because it is the best defense in the verse and because of this quote from v04

Spoiler for Quote from v04:

"No...... I doubt that's the original 'Phalanx'."
Multi-layered Defensive Magic "Phalanx" was practically another
name for the Juumonji Family.
However, most people never got a chance to catch a glimpse of this
magic.
That's because, in general, there was no need to create a barrier that
defended against all major systems and types of magic.
Under the condition that multiple Magicians were attacking the same
target, more attacks would lead to an increase in the variability in the
types of attack magic and increase the risk for magic interference. All
of this was well known.
It wasn't that Tatsuya had beheld this magic before.
In the earlier match, the multi-layered barrier that Katsuto cast did
include magic from all systems and types of magic.
That truly was "Phalanx".
Still, Tatsuya wasn't able to accept this conjecture so easily

Like Tatsuya, I'm not able to accept it so easily.

But it is a valid point worth considering.

[Ultragunner]

putting aside how awesome Phalanx is, the deadliest point of Grim Reaper is that it can catch you off-guard easily.

But the problem here is that we don't really know the details of its mechanics. Like, does the 2nd strike need any Psion from Genzou? Or it already implanted in your mind (from the 1st image) and the direct encounter is just a trigger? If this is true then even with Phalanx, you "may" block the first hit, but if you miss that, consider leaving a note

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

putting aside how awesome Phalanx is, the deadliest point of Grim Reaper is that it can catch you off-guard easily.

But the problem here is that we don't really know the details of its mechanics. Like, does the 2nd strike need any Psion from Genzou? Or it already implanted in your mind (from the 1st image) and the direct encounter is just a trigger? If this is true then even with Phalanx, you "may" block the first hit, but if you miss that, consider leaving a note

I agree. I feel like you need to be especially prepared and aware Genzou's coming for you, for you to be able to block it properly. Even then, like you said we still don't know exactly when it's cast vs. when it activates.

We need more Genzou PV side stories.

[Verisimilitude]

Originally Posted by anonfr

I agree. I feel like you need to be especially prepared and aware Genzou's coming for you, for you to be able to block it properly. Even then, like you said we still don't know exactly when it's cast vs. when it activates.

We need more Genzou PV side stories.

No, what we need is a SS Volume focused on the two generations before our main characters.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Rava

I mean this in the nicest way possible, but you have no idea what you are talking about with this "Precast" comment that you keep repeating over and over.

Miyuki doesn't start using Deceleration Zone until after Lina uses her Self-Acceleration magic. Otherwise it would be impossible for her to predict where the Self-Acceleration Magic was going to be to drop the Deceleration Zone on because it hadn't been cast yet.

Spoiler for Lina vs Miyuki Before Deceleration Zone:

From Lina's observations so far and in the light of this, Lina determined that Miyuki was a typical magician deficient in physical abilities. For the rogue magician executioner 'Sirius', they were the easiest type of prey.

(I'll end this in one blow!)

There had been no starting signal yet, but Lina had no intention of waiting for any such thing. There had been nothing in the arrangements about a signal after all.

Close the gap with self-acceleration magic, neutralise the opponent's magic with Data Fortification, then eliminate in CQC.

Then while Tatsuya and the others were distracted by Miyuki's loss, use high speed magic to make an escape.

That was the plan.

However, she could only let out a silent cry.

One step faster than she could activate magic, a tempest was rushing in.

The moment Lina leaped aside, a torrent of frozen air flashed past. As she raised her head, this time she saw a blizzard howling in from the side. By manipulating air density and creating a wall of vacuum, Lina was able to weather the storm somehow.

"I guess this much isn't enough."

As Miyuki muttered to herself, the night air began to gather around her.

Lina clenched her teeth.

In terms of activation speed, Lina wins over Miyuki.

For Miyuki to have made the first move, meant she must have set up earlier.

Not to mention the two volleys just earlier were sequences designed to maximise speed at the cost of power.

Lina felt shamed twice over.

Both at her intention to exploit her opponent's naivety, and being caught off guard in turn.

She had thought she could win even with powered down attacks and, in fact, she had come dangerously close.

(But now it's my turn!)

The gap was likely in order to cast a stronger magic for the decisive blow. But that would be fatal, Lina thought. As she did so, she simultaneously activated self-acceleration and Data Fortification.

By cladding herself in self-acceleration magic which lowered both gravity and inertia, Lina rushed straight towards Miyuki. Her right hand grasped what had looked like decorative buttons on her jacket.

She hadn't taken out her gun, but this much should be more than enough to take out a high school girl.

Then the moment Lina was five metres away, her intuition screamed for her to halt.

She planted her feet firmly to resist a gale which suddenly threatened to pull her body in.

She applied a static magic on herself to further counter that drag force.

In that position, she triggered movement magic on the buttons in her hand. The buttons, empowered to move at 300 km/h without acceleration, slowed and dropped to the ground before they had traveled even one metre.


Miyuki's senses had felt Lina blazing in faster than the eye could see.

Although she couldn't draw data directly from the dimension of information like Tatsuya, it was possible to perceive the traces of event modification left by magic. This was something any magician could do at varying levels, and anything a magician could do Miyuki could do at the highest level.

Self-acceleration was a magic which caused event modification on the user themselves. Therefore by tracking the traces of event modification in real time, it was possible to determine the position of the caster. Miyuki had learned how to exploit that weakness of self-acceleration from Tatsuya.

Everything so far had proceeded just as planned. Her saying "I guess this much isn't enough" had been deliberate, a suggestive ploy to provoke the other side.

The clincher would be this next magic.

([Deceleration Zone])

If you read carefully Miyuki already knows Lina plan; simple she will drag this to a cqc showdown. In the end Miyuki set up a magic already. but did you ever consider why would Miyuki set up a magic before the fight?...it was to calculate her clincher magic; meaning her set up magic was to buy sometime; she may have use deceleration the moment Lina step in you know. it would earn the same result even lessen her move by 1 to 2.

When I watch or read I try to find the meaning of their action; I maybe right or wrong but its more fun and cynical reading it like that.

Originally Posted by Rasen

No, I'm talking cold, hard math.

Unless Erika knows a spell for teleportation, distance and the time it takes to cross it is an issue.

What can i do; the author didnt explain anything. He might have another idea when hes thinking of "common sense"

Because moving at 300mph is normal here

Originally Posted by kidswable

Well, of course rozen plot is more interesting than mizuki's. I just thought that it could make a good plot twist if mizuki is a spy in the future plot.

Grim Reaper, best mental/mind based magic. Just by knowing that he is exist would make anyone dead. What a perfect magic for the grandfather for mahesvara

Mizuki's plot has to do with Miki. She is something that the Omyouji's/Yoshida are looking for the GOD's eyes; meaning "Its Destiny"

Originally Posted by anonfr

Drawless:

So yeah, it's activated before he draws it, but he does draw it. If you move fast enough to avoid it's aim you'll dodge it every time, but it sounds like it can be a sort of surprise attack. You'd have to notice it before the magic activates, or else you can't Dodge. Tatsuya can notice the activation sequence, but Erika for instance, could be more 50/50. Honestly most people who weren't seasoned probably wouldn't notice it fast enough.

Spoiler for All I can see is a 100%:

Even before Miyuki had finished her cry, Tatsuya's right hand stretched out.

There was no way he could reach, but he reached anyway. Was it meaningful, or was it just a meaningless reflexive action.

Whatever it was, in this case, nothing came of it.

That was because—

"Eek!"

That scream came from the first course student aiming his CAD.

The handgun CAD had been knocked from his hand.

Before their eyes, casually swinging a baton that had suddenly appeared from somewhere, in a relaxed manner, Erika was smiling. There was no trembling or hastiness in that smile. Just by looking at that confident alertness, you could tell there was no such thing from the beginning. If the same situation had occurred 100 times, the first course student's CAD would have gone flying 100 times. That was a certainty.

Erika's eyes are more powerful than you think; its like ES but is only attained from hard work; dont forget that the only who was able sense Miyuki's Cocytus was Erika.

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

putting aside how awesome Phalanx is, the deadliest point of Grim Reaper is that it can catch you off-guard easily.

But the problem here is that we don't really know the details of its mechanics. Like, does the 2nd strike need any Psion from Genzou? Or it already implanted in your mind (from the 1st image) and the direct encounter is just a trigger? If this is true then even with Phalanx, you "may" block the first hit, but if you miss that, consider leaving a note

Yea the thing about Grim Reaper is that it isnt a target base....It an AOE spell
Deadly you see; unlike Miyuki's target base Cocytus.

[Ultraviolet X]

ahhh, pampz, you really should just cut your losses and let the topic regarding Erika drop, thats full of holes. Erika is a good character and all, but your overplaying her.

Originally Posted by anonfr

I agree. I feel like you need to be especially prepared and aware Genzou's coming for you, for you to be able to block it properly. Even then, like you said we still don't know exactly when it's cast vs. when it activates.

We need more Genzou PV side stories.

Have to agree with this, that guys awsome.

[Konja7]

There is a new picture about anime:

Images

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This picture makes me think that there will be fanservice of Tatsuya.

This is not really strange, since he is drawn as a bishounen (although he is described as average).

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Ultraviolet X

ahhh, pampz, you really should just cut your losses and let the topic regarding Erika drop, thats full of holes. Erika is a good character and all, but your overplaying her.

Its already been drop a couple of pages ago(idont know if they understand tho), now im talking about Miyuki vs Lina; on how advantagous Miyuki is;

[Requiem-x]

Originally Posted by Konja7

There is a new picture about anime:

Images

Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

This picture makes me think that there will be fanservice of Tatsuya.

This is not really strange, since he is drawn as a bishounen (although he is described as average).

At this point, I believe the average thing to be almost as much BS as the course separation.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Requiem-x

At this point, I believe the average thing to be almost as much BS as the course separation.

lol
Well if you base a character's look to Lulu of course it would turn out to be "average looking" because in Japan you'll see that kind of hairstyle everywhere.

BTW: What theme songs would you give the characters.

Tatsuya would fit Im the man by Aloe Blacc

[only1uknow]

Originally Posted by anonfr

Yes it is. He could make people kill themselves on sight. Crazy stuff.

Oh thats beyond awesome.imagine if it can be inherited,n the one who receive it is Tatsuya! gosh who the hell can stop him? my sense of imagination is tingling just thinking about it.
hmm~ how did Genzou die anyway ( the nighmare chapter i didnt read it too thouroughly hehe).
but it said that Yotsuba lost 30 magician,so i was wondering how many are there still in Yotsuba clan?.

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by only1uknow

Oh thats beyond awesome.imagine if it can be inherited,n the one who receive it is Tatsuya! gosh who the hell can stop him? my sense of imagination is tingling just thinking about it.

That's impossible, Grim Reaper is Genzou's personal magic. Tatsuya isn't even of the same lineage.

EDIT: He died because he used Grim Reaper too much. It was too much for his Magic Calculation Area.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Spoiler for Ill leave it here just interpret it; use much as you want.:

Got her, Erika thought.

Just as this thought crossed her mind and as Erika stepped within striking distance of her sword,

She was knocked aside by a sudden force that rose from feet level and was only conscious of what had happened in the next moment.


The shock caused her consciousness to loosen her grasp on the sword for only a brief second.

Erika immediately recovered her footing.

However, her opponent failed to take advantage of the opening for a follow up attack.

The masked Magician pressed her right shoulder with her left hand. Maybe it was Acceleration-Type or Move-Type Magic, but before she was blown away by her opponent, Erika managed to connect a vicious blow with her bladeless sword against her enemy’s right shoulder. The masked Magician kept a hand on her shoulder while she gazed in the direction of Mikihiko and the vampire’s ongoing brawl.

To be precise, she was looking even further. She was watching a young man riding atop a motorcycle with a silver CAD pointed at the vampire.

The youngster’s face was obscured by the helmet, so his features could not be identified.

(Tatsuya-kun...?)

In spite of this, even barely keeping a weak grasp on her consciousness as she maintained a combat stance, Erika clearly beheld with her eyes the form of her classmate beneath the street lights.

Alright, using as much as I want. She gets hit as soon as she enters sword range, but before she gets thrown, she lashes out and lands a blow.

This does not degrade Erica in any way. In fact, her landing a strike on Lina at all is badass as hell considering the difference in ability. But it was a reactive strike. And Lina still wasn't looking at her even after that blow landed.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Straightening the facts Erika lost; that's just how the story goes. So lets set aside the if, now.


Leo is more badass if hes a brawler; I don't want him to copy Tatsuya's taijutsu too.


Read it before you judge; that's what you always say.

I did read it, and judged based off of that. Her speed cannot possibly exceed that of Lina and Miyuki's cast time if Lina can notice a surprise attack mid-swing, choose a magic, and execute it before the strike lands.

And Erica's personal movement magic speed isn't ever noted as being remarkable among magicians. Every time someone uses it in combat, the narration says something similar. And she has to cast that magic for it to take effect. Miyuki can cast any ten magics she wants in that time.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Miyuki was able to cast Deceleration zone is thanks to Precast.After she cast precast the next magic she had was the Zone; meaning it takes a lot of time; that she had to cheat her way to cast it.

Bzzt, wrong. Look, the precast only means Miyuki gets the first shot. If it had ended there then you could argue that Miyuki took her out because of pre-casting. And her next magic is another ice-wind attack. Lina even notes Miyuki had been trying to take her out with watered down attacks, which gave Lina an opening.

But Lina endures both the initial sneak attack and the follow-up strike, then activates Personal Acceleration. Miyuki casts Deceleration Zone after Lina uses Personal Acceleration. Which means Miyuki can cast it faster than Lina's Personal Acceleration (which is faster than Erica's) can cross that distance. Ergo, Erica wouldn't be able to blitz her.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Are you talking about the real world? If it is, this novel is a fantasy; of course there are things that doesnt apply here. In the end we don't know what the author thinks when writing his piece.

Thats what I think too; Orochimaru still has 7 magics in it; but I doubt we'll see it soon because, just like Tatsuya's Third Eye, Erika cant wield it until the Chibas give a gag order

This world is based in ours and runs on our physics + magic. It's even mentioned that Magicians have the same limits humans do when it comes to their real bodies.

And Orochimaru (if this is the guillotine sword) has one magic, the one Erica uses. It was literally created only for that magic.

Before anyone questions that, I'd like to point out that Orochimaru isn't a "specialized" CAD but a "weaponized" one. Weaponized CADs only have a single Activation sequence that can't be changed, in exchange for being the fastest of the three types.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Ushio just said that if ever happens to the kids he'll just protect them#! so let the kids have some fun kind of thing
I know what you mean by not liking Honoka; she copies Miyuki too much.

EDIT: Who watch 300 Rise of the empire?...I wish war is like that; not those modern guns; Tatsuya's magic is to mundane for you to get excited.

You're wrong because.... Wait, this has nothing to do with Erica.

Never mind, carry on.

[Rava]

Originally Posted by pampz21

If you read carefully Miyuki already knows Lina plan; simple she will drag this to a cqc showdown. In the end Miyuki set up a magic already. but did you ever consider why would Miyuki set up a magic before the fight?...it was to calculate her clincher magic; meaning her set up magic was to buy sometime; she may have use deceleration the moment Lina step in you know. it would earn the same result even lessen her move by 1 to 2.

When I watch or read I try to find the meaning of their action; I maybe right or wrong but its more fun and cynical reading it like that.

[...]

If you read carefully, you'll notice that you mentally skipped a few lines there. I will bold EVERY TIME a spell is cast.

Spoiler:

From Lina's observations so far and in the light of this, Lina determined that Miyuki was a typical magician deficient in physical abilities. For the rogue magician executioner 'Sirius', they were the easiest type of prey.

(I'll end this in one blow!)

There had been no starting signal yet, but Lina had no intention of waiting for any such thing. There had been nothing in the arrangements about a signal after all.

Close the gap with self-acceleration magic, neutralise the opponent's magic with Data Fortification, then eliminate in CQC.

Then while Tatsuya and the others were distracted by Miyuki's loss, use high speed magic to make an escape.

That was the plan.

However, she could only let out a silent cry.

One step faster than she could activate magic, a tempest was rushing in.

The moment Lina leaped aside, a torrent of frozen air flashed past. As she raised her head, this time she saw a blizzard howling in from the side. By manipulating air density and creating a wall of vacuum, Lina was able to weather the storm somehow.

Originally Posted by Editor notes

This is when Miyuki preemptively kicks in with two unnamed magic spells, and Lina casts a defensive magic.

"I guess this much isn't enough."

As Miyuki muttered to herself, the night air began to gather around her.

Lina clenched her teeth.

In terms of activation speed, Lina wins over Miyuki.

For Miyuki to have made the first move, meant she must have set up earlier.

Not to mention the two volleys just earlier were sequences designed to maximise speed at the cost of power.

Lina felt shamed twice over.

Both at her intention to exploit her opponent's naivety, and being caught off guard in turn.

She had thought she could win even with powered down attacks and, in fact, she had come dangerously close.

(But now it's my turn!)

The gap was likely in order to cast a stronger magic for the decisive blow. But that would be fatal, Lina thought. As she did so, she simultaneously activated self-acceleration and Data Fortification.

Originally Posted by Editor's Note

Two spells from Lina and EARLIEST possible time for Miyuki to cast Deceleration Zone.

By cladding herself in self-acceleration magic which lowered both gravity and inertia, Lina rushed straight towards Miyuki. Her right hand grasped what had looked like decorative buttons on her jacket.

She hadn't taken out her gun, but this much should be more than enough to take out a high school girl.

Then the moment Lina was five metres away, her intuition screamed for her to halt.

She planted her feet firmly to resist a gale which suddenly threatened to pull her body in.

She applied a static magic on herself to further counter that drag force.

In that position, she triggered movement magic on the buttons in her hand. The buttons, empowered to move at 300 km/h without acceleration, slowed and dropped to the ground before they had traveled even one metre.


Miyuki's senses had felt Lina blazing in faster than the eye could see.

Although she couldn't draw data directly from the dimension of information like Tatsuya, it was possible to perceive the traces of event modification left by magic. This was something any magician could do at varying levels, and anything a magician could do Miyuki could do at the highest level.

Self-acceleration was a magic which caused event modification on the user themselves. Therefore by tracking the traces of event modification in real time, it was possible to determine the position of the caster. Miyuki had learned how to exploit that weakness of self-acceleration from Tatsuya.

Originally Posted by Editor's Note

This is the explanation on how Miyuki is using Deceleration Zone. She does it by tracking the traces of event modification from Self-Acceleration. Meaning it's impossible for her to invoke BEFORE Lina uses Self-Acceleration.

Everything so far had proceeded just as planned. Her saying "I guess this much isn't enough" had been deliberate, a suggestive ploy to provoke the other side.

The clincher would be this next magic.

([Deceleration Zone])

Originally Posted by XFire

[...]

Bzzt, wrong. Look, the precast only means Miyuki gets the first shot. If it had ended there then you could argue that Miyuki took her out because of pre-casting. And her next magic is another ice-wind attack. Lina even notes Miyuki had been trying to take her out with watered down attacks, which gave Lina an opening.

But Lina endures both the initial sneak attack and the follow-up strike, then activates Personal Acceleration. Miyuki casts Deceleration Zone after Lina uses Personal Acceleration. Which means Miyuki can cast it faster than Lina's Personal Acceleration (which is faster than Erica's) can cross that distance. Ergo, Erica wouldn't be able to blitz her.

[...]

This exactly.

[only1uknow]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

That's impossible, Grim Reaper is Genzou's personal magic. Tatsuya isn't even of the same lineage.

EDIT: He died because he used Grim Reaper too much. It was too much for his Magic Calculation Area.

well~ isnt Tatsuya his grandchild? or is that not enough?
Oo so thats how he die~ well i guess with great power come great responsibility(in this case greater risk).

btw i wanna know what is Fumiya and Ayako magic,did they have their own magic like the yotsuba or an inherited magic?

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Spoiler for All I can see is a 100%:

Even before Miyuki had finished her cry, Tatsuya's right hand stretched out.

There was no way he could reach, but he reached anyway. Was it meaningful, or was it just a meaningless reflexive action.

Whatever it was, in this case, nothing came of it.

That was because—

"Eek!"

That scream came from the first course student aiming his CAD.

The handgun CAD had been knocked from his hand.

Before their eyes, casually swinging a baton that had suddenly appeared from somewhere, in a relaxed manner, Erika was smiling. There was no trembling or hastiness in that smile. Just by looking at that confident alertness, you could tell there was no such thing from the beginning. If the same situation had occurred 100 times, the first course student's CAD would have gone flying 100 times. That was a certainty.

Erika's eyes are more powerful than you think; its like ES but is only attained from hard work; dont forget that the only who was able sense Miyuki's Cocytus was Erika.



Yea the thing about Grim Reaper is that it isnt a target base....It an AOE spell
Deadly you see; unlike Miyuki's target base Cocytus.

Wow a quote from volume 1 when Erika knocks a gun out of Morisaki's hand. That has absolutely NO weight in the context I described.

I'm talking about Erika noticing an activation sequence before it hits her, not a gun in her face that she knows for a fact is aimed at her.

Also your quote doesn't prove anything about how observant she is, just that she's fast and can deal with an obvious threat. Just, uhg. You, sometimes man... you really shove it on sometimes.

Also it is an AOE spell? I knew it!

Originally Posted by Echizen777

That's impossible, Grim Reaper is Genzou's personal magic. Tatsuya isn't even of the same lineage.

EDIT: He died because he used Grim Reaper too much. It was too much for his Magic Calculation Area.

They're not the same lineage? You know you also say the most random things sometimes.
Are you talking about how Tatsuya is on the special ability side, and Genzou is on the outer systematic magic side of things?

Cause they are related, like direct descendant related. It's his grandfather after all.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by only1uknow

btw i wanna know what is Fumiya and Ayako magic,did they have their own magic like the yotsuba or an inherited magic?

Just like Miyuki, Fumiya inherited Outer-Systematic Mental Interference Magic.

Ayako has special magic Pseudo Teleportation.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Spoiler for Lina vs Miyuki Before Deceleration Zone:

If you read carefully Miyuki already knows Lina plan; simple she will drag this to a cqc showdown. In the end Miyuki set up a magic already. but did you ever consider why would Miyuki set up a magic before the fight?...it was to calculate her clincher magic; meaning her set up magic was to buy sometime; she may have use deceleration the moment Lina step in you know. it would earn the same result even lessen her move by 1 to 2.

When I watch or read I try to find the meaning of their action; I maybe right or wrong but its more fun and cynical reading it like that.

Her knowing the plan was never the point. Miyuki cast Deceleration Zone after Lina cast Personal Acceleration. Which means that she can get it off before some one as fast as Lina can get to her, much less Erica.

And you seem to be under the impression that she had pre-cast all her spells before hand, as if she could store them or something. She didn't. This is in fact explicitly impossible according to in-universe rules.

All she did was start casting her first spell before Lina did. That is literally all that "pre-cast" means.

Originally Posted by pampz21

What can i do; the author didnt explain anything. He might have another idea when hes thinking of "common sense"

Because moving at 300mph is normal here

No, it isn't. In no place is it mentioned that the average speed is anywhere near this fast. Considering Sayaka without magic could react to Ericas Personal Acceleration magic, it probably isn't more than 30-50 mph tops.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Mizuki's plot has to do with Miki. She is something that the Omyouji's/Yoshida are looking for the GOD's eyes; meaning "Its Destiny"

This has nothing to do with me~~~~~

Originally Posted by pampz21

Spoiler for All I can see is a 100%:

Even before Miyuki had finished her cry, Tatsuya's right hand stretched out.

There was no way he could reach, but he reached anyway. Was it meaningful, or was it just a meaningless reflexive action.

Whatever it was, in this case, nothing came of it.

That was because—

"Eek!"

That scream came from the first course student aiming his CAD.

The handgun CAD had been knocked from his hand.

Before their eyes, casually swinging a baton that had suddenly appeared from somewhere, in a relaxed manner, Erika was smiling. There was no trembling or hastiness in that smile. Just by looking at that confident alertness, you could tell there was no such thing from the beginning. If the same situation had occurred 100 times, the first course student's CAD would have gone flying 100 times. That was a certainty.

Erika's eyes are more powerful than you think; its like ES but is only attained from hard work; dont forget that the only who was able sense Miyuki's Cocytus was Erika.

This is wrong on so many levels I had trouble finding where to start.

• It says the same situation. Meaning if he tried to draw 100 times she'd knock it down 100 times.
• Erica's eyes are nothing like ES. She can read others movements, thats all. It has no ability to percieve magic.
• She didn't see Coctyus. She saw the after-effects. The only thing she commented on was that Miyuki hit the enemy without hitting her friends, which was impressive.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Yea the thing about Grim Reaper is that it isnt a target base....It an AOE spell
Deadly you see; unlike Miyuki's target base Cocytus.

Wow, you really didn't read this, did you? Grim Reaper is not area of effect. It isn't single target either. It works out side that. He plants an image of "death" inside someones mind, which can be activated through showing them the symbol of that death. It requires a direct meeting, though.

If for whatever reason you still count that as AOE, the Coctyus would count as well due to being able to strike multiple targets at once.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by XFire

This is wrong on so many levels I had trouble finding where to start.

• It says the same situation. Meaning if he tried to draw 100 times she'd knock it down 100 times.
• Erica's eyes are nothing like ES. She can read others movements, thats all. It has no ability to percieve magic.
• She didn't see Coctyus. She saw the after-effects. The only thing she commented on was that Miyuki hit the enemy without hitting her friends, which was impressive.

Wow, you really didn't read this, did you? Grim Reaper is not area of effect. It isn't single target either. It works out side that. He plants an image of "death" inside someones mind, which can be activated through showing them the symbol of that death. It requires a direct meeting, though.

If for whatever reason you still count that as AOE, the Coctyus would count as well due to being able to strike multiple targets at once.

Glad you agree with his example being very poor.

But.. so Grim Reaper isn't AOE afterall :/ It still doesn't require a direct meeting though. It can be indirect, apparently.
I'm still not clear on how it's used, because he overused it when he invaded the base, but It's like he planted the image in everyone's head before he walked in, then he preceded to walk in and they all died. I'm not clear at all..

Coyctus does count as AOE. Multiple targest at once is the basic RPG definition of Area of Effect.