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2013-10-08, 04:30 | Link #22 | |
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He is still going to be strong. Doflamingo is just too strong for him. Even in whitebeard's group there were only three-four people that were "really" strong (whitebeard, marco, jozu and vista). But him not being one of the strongest is fine. His goal/aim is different than Luffy and Zoro. I think he could fight equally against one of the Doflamingo's 3 main general ( with his trump card as you said that is). Imo it could hurt Luffy still. Haki is not an absolute ( impenetrable defense). Also i don't think conqueror's Haki is just a fodder clearer move. We will probably see more advance level of this type of Haki as well. Last edited by Whitemoon648; 2013-10-08 at 04:58. |
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2013-10-08, 04:59 | Link #23 | |
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Good chapter, although I have to join the "Sanji-didn't-have-any-time-to-shine-in-the-NW" party. It was really a little bit disappointing that he didn't stand a chance at all, even though Doflamingo praised him. I hope Zoro and Luffy will show us more development or it means that Doflamingo is simply that strong.
It was interesting to see, how Doflamingo left the Sunny alone, when he saw Law threatening Jora. That would explain why his crew, with some exceptions, is so loyal to him. As with last chapter, I was really impressed by Law's power and his usage of the fruit. I'm liking him more and more. Fujitora was awesome as well His prediction, that the battle scene will change, is hopefully not far away Regarding the next chapters, I'm really interested in Law's past and what the Sunny Team is going to do (I doubt that they head to Zou). Also an update from the Colosseum would be nice. Quote:
This is really interesting as Luffy said his Haki gives him near immunity to blunt attacks, but not to sharp ones. Last edited by ri0; 2013-10-08 at 05:53. |
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2013-10-08, 05:51 | Link #24 |
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I see Luffy's fruit having the advantage over DD's fruit.
DD won't be able to immobilize Luffy, because he is a rubberman and can stretch any part of his body to his likings. DD will be only effective with piercing/slashing attacks or massive physical blows. Imagine a Giant Rifle vs. a Giant fist out of threads clash. |
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We'll see how things unfold this arc. I have no problem conceding when I'm wrong.
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That definitely is your opinion on how consistent Oda has been in his power ups and even though i do respect your opinion, i disagree with it. In my personal opinion Oda although relative to most other writers has been more consistent , he has had his own inconsistencies. Even worse in regards to DF powers and Haki. One piece is my third most loved/favorite anime but that doesn't mean i am going to not say that there are no inconsistencies when there obviously are. As for anime reference what i meant was anime takes those inconsistencies into another level. Example: Luffy had a rough time against Hordy in manga. In anime Luffy had a "very" hard time against Hordy. Obviously i know Anime not the canon. I was talking about Manga. Quote:
If you have watched enough anime and read enough manga, you would see many examples of the said "trios" changing over time. This is not a new concept to Anime/manga world. Zoro has always had an edge over Sanji and that Gap grew ( most likely a lot) over the 2 years. If you disagree i guess, then you disagree. Nothing to argue about here. We just have to wait and see Also this is what you said last week Spoiler for your last week post:
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It's not that people "don't get it". If i had to categorize it, there are 3 groups of people. First group believes that oda is saying 2 years wasn't enough. Second group believe that Oda is saying 2 years was enough. And the third group would be those that actually believe that Oda is hinting towards both 1 and 2 ( thus the inconsistencies). Also considering we haven't seen much from Luffy and Zoro's real strength compared to big timers like doflamingo, If the gap between Sanji and the other two has become too wide and if the strawhats pick up few super strong pirates ( like Law, cavendish, Jinbei, ...) then the pieces would fall in place for battle royal against kaido. haha love this . Too bad there is no longer the rep system or else you would have my positive rep. Quote:
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Judging by Luffy's face, Sanji probably told Luffy the details regarding Law. Now the question is, will Luffy leave the tournament and help the guy who saved his life or stay ? If he leaves the tournament, that would give Bartolomeo the chance to do what he wanted to do from the beginning, which is win the fruit for Luffy
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So that throws off everything you've said.
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2013-10-08, 09:20 | Link #31 |
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Well,Sanji's loss wasn't as bad as I thought it would be,no biggie,he just wasn't aware of the opponent's hax ability.
That's like considering Luffy weaker than Caesar since he lost consciousness on their first encounter due to his ability.It doesn't change anything,yeah Donflamingo is strong and pretty much everyone in the New World can probably defend against his Diable Jambe attacks,and while I do admit that Donflamingo in the end is probably stronger than Sanji,but there was nothing serious in this fight. |
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I'm confident in my assessment of the monster trio. I haven't been proven wrong over the years because, again, Oda hasn't deviated from the norm he's established. Quote:
Maybe I'm overestimating Doflamingo and underestimating the strawhats. But I'm eager to see how Oda will tackle this. This is looking like Alabasta all over again where the shichibukai (Croc) appeared invincible at first, but was beaten in the end through technicalities/strategy. So Sanji losing to Doflamingo doesn't tarnish his repuation in the slightest, really.
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I'd say Don Chinjao was a pretty formidable opponent for Luffy. But then again, I don't see him as necessarily stronger than Vergo. I'm leaning towards noktown's opinion on the Sanji situation. He got caught by surprise and that's that. It's actually one of Doflamingo's biggest strenghts. His enemies just aren't able to move all of a sudden, don't know why and are thus one attack away from being killed. Once you know what to expect, though, I'm sure there are ways to work around that. Sanji is a clever guy, and I'd guess that if they were to face off against each other again, he would fare a lot better. I also doubt that Doflamingo's attack would have killed Sanji, hadn't Law intervened. The Strawhats are ususally at their strongest when they've already taken a couple of supposed killing blows. Maybe the difference in power really is that big, but I don't think we can tell from a fight that lasted a couple of seconds and was semi decided by a surprise attack that would have a similar effect on anyone else who's not anticipating it.
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Well Sanji was on the den den mushi and Kin'emon had Sanji's den den mushi. So I figured Sanji told Kin'emon the details, that's why Zoro and Kin'emon was yelling at Luffy , letting him know the details. I might be wrong though.
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As for Threads i think he still or can infuse them with Haki. I always thought he either had the puppet fruit or the obvious thread one. And as for a power that only Celestial dragons would know, i also think there will be something like that along the road as well. |
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at least Sanji isn't died yet
Doflamingo is out of his league so we're going to continue Law vs Doflamingo death match... I hope Law isn't died.. I like him Doflamingo's power isn't as awesome as I predicted... but still... adding Haki in that power is troublesome could we go back to colloseum already? |
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The whole point of the time-skip was for all the strawhats to get stronger. They couldn't let what happened to them at the archipelago happen again. Sanji having to fight those Okamas to get the recipes MADE him stronger (and that's not even accounting for the possibility of him being under the tutelage of Ivankov).
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While Luffy continues to finish the tournament Zoro can go help Law buy time without Law having to die.
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I normally tend to stay away from power level debates, but this time around.....
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^THIS, basically. And to add to what BDK said here, just because they needed to become stronger does NOT mean they need to be at the level of an admiral or emperor. And it's not like they still don't have room to improve during their travels through the NW, anyway. That's why I feel the alliances were a very smart move on Oda's part. Alone, Luffy and co. would most definitely get wrecked by a yonkou's forces, but if they team up with other strong pirates, they have a better chance of taking them down without the need for another timeskip! And with that being said..... I think both Dofla and Fujitora are proof enough that a supernova-level pirate can't take them on solo, seeing as how Law still had trouble handling them (and this despite his fancy teleportation stunts, lol). |
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