2009-07-22, 18:47 | Link #242 |
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I have many friends that hate anime but don't really tease people or exclude people that like it.
The thing that REAAALY pisses me off are the over reacting hyper anime fans that know nothing yet preach about it everyday to those who know more that them and keep on showing off. I met one in camp that kept on bragging about really bad fan art he drew, and kept on saying that he knows everything about anime. Oh how much I wanted to punch him in the face.
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2009-07-22, 20:50 | Link #243 |
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I actually haven't knowingly encountered too many people off the internet that outright hate anime, but then, I don't talk about anime much off the internet, except usually with people I know that like anime.
From the anti-anime sentiment I've seen on the internet, it tends to come down to one or more of the following... 1) Very attached to American/North American pop culture entertainment; so much so that entertainment that's significantly different from it is simply something they refuse to even give a chance. 2) Have a familiarity with anime, and strongly dislike certain anime tropes. They dislike tsunderes, harem anime male leads, etc... etc... It's a more basic taste issue for them. 3) To some extent... sometimes we anime fans can be our own worst enemies when it comes to how we present anime. I remember reading a debate on another board between a guy who said "You know, I don't know how you can find cartoon pictures to be sexually arousing", and then a few anime fans basically said to him "Come on... you know you find it sexy too!", and... those anime fans wouldn't let up. They didn't just defend their own approach to the pictures which would have been one thing - they repeatedly insisted that he too must find them sexy like they did. I see this a lot with some anime fans - it's incomprehensible to these particular anime fans that their sexual tastes (in, say, Eiken-sized breasts) isn't universally shared. It's like they're downright offended by the very notion that you don't share their particular taste in sexual imagery, and that your tastes must be the same as theirs. It's obnoxious, frankly, and I've personally seen more than a few people rubbed the wrong way by it, which no doubt hurts the image of anime and anime fans for those people. I actually haven't seen many people come down on anime simply for being "a cartoon". Actually, the last time I introduced anime to someone not familiar with it, they commented "this Japanese animation is a lot better than our (i.e. North American) cartoons; it's much more fluid and realistic". |
2009-07-25, 20:19 | Link #244 |
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Seattle
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It boils down to the fact that people sometimes think a person over the age of 13 who likes anime is a lolicon, or an idiot for consuming 'formulaic' media. I just don't mention I like anime anymore, much easier that way
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2009-07-25, 20:36 | Link #245 |
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I really think most of the hate would disapear if more and more series didnt turn to blantant fanservice and lolicon. It seems that over the last 10 years good anime has been replaced with pedo bait like Strike Witches.
In high school anime would attract interest and actulay help me meet people. These days almost no one knows I still watch it because of the lack of anything I would admit watching for fear of being seen as a pedo.
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2009-07-26, 00:46 | Link #246 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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I don't think I've ever been hated for liking anime, but I usually don't talk about it around non-fans because I worry that people won't "get it". I actually find myself wishing I had a wider range of hobbies just so that I had more stuff to discuss with non fans - computers and political science don't really cut it, since the former is too technical for general discussion and I tend to find the latter gets many people too worked up.
That said, I do get quite a bit of flak from certain quarters of the anime fandom for being a moe fan even when I make it incredibly clear that I'm not a lolicon. For whatever reason, there's a certain segment of the anime fanbase who pretty much writes off anything that tries to appeal in the slightest to moe fans as crap, then bitterly complain about how much modern anime sucks. Of course, if I ask them if they've watched any of the shows I think are awesome, their answer will usually be no - sometimes even if the show doesn't try and appeal to the moe demographic. Needless to say, these people are one of my least favourite things about the anime fandom. (Part of what makes them so annoying is that it takes me quite a bit of thought to actually explain why I like moe... way too much thought to actually be able to give a reasonable defense when these guys rant about how moe is ruining everything and how shitty shows with it are. Particularly when they actually use adjectives like "shit" to describe a show... that doesn't really tell me what they dislike so I can come up with a counterpoint.) Quote:
I mean yeah, there's a lot more loli stuff out there than there used to be, but very few non-fans and casual fans are aware of that - it tends to be mid to high level anime fans who complain about it. And even after filtering such material out, I still have a pretty massive list of shows I could show casual fans and newbies. In recent months I've had pretty good luck with showing people things like Eden of the East and Denpa Teki na Kanojo, for instance. |
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2009-07-26, 11:21 | Link #247 | |
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*Sigh*, but who am I kidding. My shyness means I rarely talk to new people. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert at something I'm not, but I digress. I don't think there are many people with an irrational hatred towards anime fans, but I do think most people are misinformed about what anime actually is. |
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2009-07-26, 16:22 | Link #248 |
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Agreed. This is actually more or less what I thought anime was back in the early part of this decade before I became an anime fan... and it's why I had little interest in anime at the time. Then my cousin, and one of his internet friends, introduced me to a bunch of excellent 90s anime, most of which had little sexual fanservice and excellent plots and stories. Later on, I watched a few more recent animes that gave me the same impression.
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2009-07-26, 16:38 | Link #249 | |
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2009-07-26, 19:48 | Link #250 |
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Its true that people still think of anime today as grossly violent, panty shot nose bleeding like sex filled cartoons, but its much more accepted now than it was before. Also I think that with anime fans being hated on, is due to the fact that the more common anime fan kinda goes overboard when at con's. Like myself, I always make sure that my group who goes with me acts a certain way. We need to make sure we are good ambassadors of anime. And if the general people see us screaming running around acting stupid, and yelling out random stuff here and there, it gives us a bad image. Now i'm not saying people can't do that kinda stuff, but people need to understand that when they are doing it outside, they are being watched and they are being judged constantly. And anime wont be accepted into society if stuff like this continues. I'm just saying to calm down, and than once your inside with the rest of the anime community, than go wild. Like we are always helping people at con's who are just getting into anime, and those kinda people get turned off when they see people running and screaming and jumping on other people for no reason (glomping). Either ways, in my opinion thats why there are still haters of today.
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For example, I recently watched an on-line review of the DC comic series Countdown by somewhat famous on-line reviewer Linkara. Link: http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com...s/linkara/at4w In it, Linkara showed displeasure with DC comics' artwork choice to show a Mary Marvel panty-shot... arguing that it shouldn't be done with a teenaged heroine character. I could only imagine what Linkara would make of anime then... A friend of Linkara's, the equally popular video game reviewer Spoony, made a scathing comment about anime fans during one of his FF 8 reviews - he said to anime fans in general "Dudes, you really got to start policing your own - some of this hentai you're putting out there is truly disgusting." (paraphrasing here). Link: http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/2009...matters-house/ These guys aren't internet small fry - they're associated with the Nostalgia Critic, who in turn has a huge rivalry with the Angry Video Game Nerd (I hope I don't need to provide info on these two particular guys). Both enjoy a significant following. They don't strike me as prudish either (Spoony certainly isn't). There's no question, in my mind, that the unfortunate (and somewhat or largely false) perception that anime = hentai hurts the perception of anime and anime fans. Quote:
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2009-07-26, 22:26 | Link #252 | |
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2009-07-27, 04:56 | Link #253 |
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There's gonna be someone out there who hates what you like, regardless of what it is.
Why do you care that people don't like what you like? Being able to handle stuff like that is called communicative ability, social skills.
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2009-07-28, 12:47 | Link #254 | |
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2009-07-28, 15:39 | Link #255 |
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I haven't really met anyone who hated anime or people who like anime. Maybe it's a Toronto thing.
Anime to me is like any other media like movies, or books. I tell people i like anime all the time, and all of them understand.
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