2012-08-18, 05:44 | Link #22961 | |||
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They ALREADY have all the same rights - they can work, serve in army, express their point of view... The only thing they can't do is marriage, which is not a big deal if you ask me. And no, I do not have any hard feelings about gay people, I have hard feelings about people who make a fuss about being somewhat different and that's why they need more rights.
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2012-08-18, 05:47 | Link #22962 | |
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Oh but it doesn't promote the continuation of the species you would say? I don't care! Homosexual acts have been known in several species of animals and not just humans and even it it were just in humans we are already reaching dangerous levels of population worldwide, something that trims that growth down a bit isn't going to do any harm. "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire The corollary for me is: I may not be an homosexual myself but I'll defend their right to express their views to the death.
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2012-08-18, 05:50 | Link #22963 |
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Insight: Big Food girds for California GMO fight
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...87F15X20120816
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2012-08-18, 06:01 | Link #22964 | ||
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Well, I do. >Homosexual acts have been known in several species of animals Yeah, because the nature made them that way due to a certain reasons. There are also species that can change their gender. But we are humans, not some Bolbometopos muricatum >we are already reaching dangerous levels of population worldwide This problem is pretty much contrived. The real problem is that we consume too much and at the same time we don't use even 70% of production(oh irony, right?). But okay, I can take this as a good reason to keep gay people, not to promote homosexuality even further. Btw, child adoption is much better reason in that case, if someone needs one. Quote:
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2012-08-18, 07:16 | Link #22966 | |||
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And btw have you noticed how the "evolution of homosexuality between ancient Rome and 60'" goes hand in hand with the evolution of the catholic church? Yhep, there isn't a major force shoving their morals down the populations' throat. Nope, nothing to see here guys.
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2012-08-18, 09:07 | Link #22967 | |||
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2012-08-18, 09:31 | Link #22969 | |
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When you make the argument that people arguing for civil rights shouldn't do it because it inconveniences you, I hope you also realize that one day it could be you trying to argue for a better life while people condemn what you are doing because it inconveniences them. When you're complaining about being inconvenienced, what you're really saying is that you couldn't care less. Apathy is never a good thing, it only encourages the loss of liberty. Today it is homosexuals, tomorrow it is religions, until eventually there is no one left to listen when it swings around to what you care about. If you're lucky, it's just because they'd be inconvenienced. If you're not lucky, it could be much worse.
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2012-08-18, 09:42 | Link #22970 |
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Food for thought: Did the people on the march apply for it? Technically you're supposed to at least notify the authorities before going on such actions. Any argument ignoring this on the basis of fighting for civil rights is basically invalidating itself by going against the fundamental rules of a civilized society.
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2012-08-18, 09:46 | Link #22971 | |
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2012-08-18, 09:58 | Link #22972 | ||
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I'm against THE WAY they do it. I believe you can tell the difference here, right?
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2012-08-18, 10:05 | Link #22973 |
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I said it myself that demonstration of good will is a plus, but it still remains that the attitude of Russian LGBT activists presented here is easily a symptom of how Russia treats their sexual minorities in general.
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2012-08-18, 10:06 | Link #22974 |
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Ok I think I understand you,.
So do you have any idea how they can ask for the same right as us without 'showing" themselves? Going on the parlement? Waiting for the world's end? If people don't go outside to shout, nobody is going to listen to them. No matter how much I do understand homo, I personally don't give a single damn about them, but because they do their gay parade I know they exist and I understand their will to have the right to adaopt children or marry. For some it works, for others it doesn't, but seems like the gay march is the best way they found so far. For the best or the worst. |
2012-08-18, 10:35 | Link #22975 |
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For anyone who actually believes that gay parades (and other similar events) shouldn't be held because it's a nuisance:
"First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me." Martin Niemöller
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2012-08-18, 10:39 | Link #22976 |
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People take to the streets when there are no other legitimate methods for changing public policies. Perhaps the Western media downplay the existence of effective means for democratic change in Russia, but from here it looks like those channels are either non-existent or ineffective. I see a fundamentally authoritarian regime with some trappings of democratic processes to provide cover for Mr. Putin and his cronies.
As I recall, the Russia of today is the successor to a regime created by people taking to the streets through a process called the "Russian Revolution." There were also, as I recall, a lot of people on the streets after Yeltsin dissolved the Duma and more recently in response to the tainted legislative elections. I'm pretty sure those involved some inconvenience as well. Did you oppose those protest efforts, too, or is it just protests by homosexuals to which you object? Ruling out public protest as a legitimate way of expressing opinion seems to run contrary to the very underpinnings of the contemporary Russian state.
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2012-08-18, 12:04 | Link #22979 |
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Understood, but people "take to the streets" when they lack a more civil way of encouraging change. From all appearances, a more civil way either doesn't exist or is suppressed by intransigent power structures.
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2012-08-18, 12:27 | Link #22980 |
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I've noticed an opinion that comes up from time to time when various groups call for civil rights in America at least. "More rights"
The conservatives tend to be the ones that see homosexuals or ethnic groups in the recent decade (Not back in the 60s) as "wanting more rights than the rest of us to feel special". This is the argumnt I tend to get because in conservative logic "They already have all the rights I have...why should they get more rights? What makes them superior to warrent more rights than anyone else in this country?" At least that is how it tends to be presented by the non-religious conservatives.
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