(L) Fate/Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works Movie

[Flinch]

Because not enough people care about Worm-chan, apparently. Sorry, but she's just not as popular as her sister or Saber-chan.

[Tyabann]

HF isn't about Sakura, any more than UBW is about Rin. It's about the war, and the truth behind it.

It's more that HF is not the sort of story that sells well... and, for that matter, it's too dependent on the other two routes.

[willyvereb]

Well, I think HF is as much about Sakura as Fate about Saber.
And it's story itself would be rather interesting, but not because of the action scenes. HF needs lenght to show it's contents while UBW is mostly understandable through the action scenes and few dialouges.
And what's with that worm-chan, Flinch? I think you called thousands of her fans your enemies.

[Tyabann]

...Sakura has fans?

[willyvereb]

Naturally...you know there's a VN out there and it has Saber, Rin and Sakura as main heroines. It's only natural for her to have fans. Not to mention she's included most of the non-VN FSN games too(either as "normal" or "dark" version). And in the "sequel" of the VN, Hollow Ataraxia she keeps that role too.
It's one thing that neither Fate or UBW mentions her much after the first few days. And perhaps the animes/mangas about those two stories don't have much mentions of her either. We can call it the surprise factor of her story to discover everything about her later, but it really don't help her popularity. But perhaps HF isn't only about her as Fate isn't only about Saber.
EDIT: I forgot to mention Fate/Zero Light Novel. She has a somewhat important role in it.

[Tyabann]

Sakura has no fans in the West and least of all on this forum. Maybe she's big back home in Japan, but most people I talk to online hate her guts.

[Blade_Lord]

-Shirou suddenly tracing the copy of Archers' swords. He knew nothing about the effectiveness of his projection and he didn't have the time to concentrate enough. Still, he managed it.

I thought it's because every time they met, Shirou unconsciously draw experience from Emiya who have perfected his projection skills.

The whole Shirou vs Gilgamesh fight. Even if Shirou copies the knowledge of the original users, his muscles can't be as hard as a Servants, nor his movements. Gilgamesh could defeat him easily even if he keeps up his arrogance. Perrhaps maybe the Fate Gil and the UBW Gil is different in power and skill too. But still dubious.

The sword move on it's own. Also, during the whole match, this is what Gilgamesh has in mind.

TRACING VIOLATES COPYRIGHT MONGREL!!!

He was damn proud of his treasure that what he tries to do during the whole fight is not to beat Shirou but beat the copies of his own treasures in Unlimited Blade Works.

[willyvereb]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Sakura has no fans in the West and least of all on this forum. Maybe she's big back home in Japan, but most people I talk to online hate her guts.

Amongst the VN readers outside japan the HF is the most popular...or so I heard. In japan is the UBW. And wordwide maybe equal.
And that explains why the movie has UBW as theme.
Anyways in my country a great part of the VN players are Sakura fans or the very least HF route's their favourite. I know it's a small country, but...

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Huh, DEEN with a movie budget... wonder how they'll do.

Well they did fantastic with the Rurouni Kenshin Memories and Read or Die OVAs which are clearly their last two big budget anime titles. Lets hope they have a decent budget for this movie.

[Flinch]

I called her Worm-chan because that's all she really is at that point, a worm. She changes who she is out of greed and lust, which no person with a selfless outlook would ever do (unless your selfless outlook was really just a facade)

[ac195]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Sakura has no fans in the West and least of all on this forum. Maybe she's big back home in Japan, but most people I talk to online hate her guts.

Wow, I bet they hate Kohaku too...

Btw, Sakura & Kohaku ftw

Originally Posted by Flinch

I called her Worm-chan because that's all she really is at that point, a worm. She changes who she is out of greed and lust, which no person with a selfless outlook would ever do (unless your selfless outlook was really just a facade)

Spoiler:

Wow... I really like to know how you'd turn out if as a child you were sold by your real parents and raped constantly by those who adopted you... oh, lets not forget that your real sister ignores you and treats you as a complete stranger... oh and another thing, those people that adopted you and rape you constantly also make it so your body physically needs to be raped everyday in order to survive... yeah, she is clearly a worm...

[willyvereb]

Put the olast parts in spoiler tags please.

Spoiler for worm-chan/sakura:

Well, you should think it over Flinch. Imagine a five year old girl abused by about fist sized or bigger crest worms, constantly in pain and perhaps completely in darkness alone. Now that's what welcome sakura the first day she was adopted. If you think Illya has cruel life imagine sakura's as at least 10 times worse. She went over that on daily basis then when puberty kicked in she was raped by Shinji to avoid problems about the Crest Worms' side effect. After the 4th grail war she was implanted with special Crest Worms contaminated by the Grail's remains. So she endured the murderous and evil impulses of the Angra Mainyou too. Not to mention thanks to the crest worms she was monitored every time and could be killed by Zouken without him lifting a finger. And she still didn't break. Not to mention she could endure the filling of the Grail better than Illya.

In her situation it's a miracle she's alive and able to resist Zoken and AM.

[kakakka]

Some (or most?) people hate a princess-that-needs-to-be-rescued character. Sakura fits that character, sadly...

BTW, I liked Sakura, but she's more of a younger sister type for me.

It's more that HF is not the sort of story that sells well... and, for that matter, it's too dependent on the other two routes.

I don't think so...
There are infos that aren't mentioned in Heaven's Feel, but I doubt it can really affect the story as a whole.

Spoiler for HF:

Not to mention she could endure the filling of the Grail better than Illya.

Ilya doesn't need to endure. She's built for the job.
Sakura isn't, that why, IIRC, the power of the grail keeps on spilling out of her, and almost takes over her....

[Flinch]

If you're a selfless person, you stay a selfless person. I am a selfless person, and I couldn't really live with myself to be selfish at all.

Oh, and back many generations, my family was sold out by those they fought for and were tortured until they finally broke and admitted to lies. That weighs pretty heavily on your mentality.

[ac195]

Originally Posted by Flinch

If you're a selfless person, you stay a selfless person. I am a selfless person, and I couldn't really live with myself to be selfish at all.

Oh, and back many generations, my family was sold out by those they fought for and were tortured until they finally broke and admitted to lies. That weighs pretty heavily on your mentality.

That's nice... when something like that happens to you personally... and you can still say things like this... then maybe I might believe you.

But as of now, I'll just treat you as a potato... because you clearly aren't human.

[willyvereb]

But mnothing compared to Sakura's. And there's no such a person as selfless.(well, actually believe the Bible there was one.) In extreme situations people's selfishness could show off.

Spoiler for sakura:

Back to the childhood abuse. Normally many people should traumatise for the rest of their lives because of that. But Sakura didn't shown that fear. Maybe because she gone through it on daily basis and she already conquared that fear, but it's alone shows great inner strenght. Now imagine the strain on sakura: Tortured daily by the crest worms and by her "family", fights against AM's will, endures the incereasing mental and physical strain of being a Grail. A normal person could give in to that on the first day and I doubt Rin or anyone else could bear that as long as her.

To Kakka:

Spoiler for Visual Novel:HF and Fate:

In Fate they mentioned Illya was more like a vegetable in the last few days. mantaining heroic spirits isn't an easy job and Sakura walks around and mainly does what she always. But you're right. Illya has more magic circuits and built for that purpose while sakura aren't exacty. It means her body must've endured more strain even if she hasmaching maching amount of heroic spirits inside her.

[Kimiko Khan]

i pity sakura, but that's all i can do. and that's all that she ever gives as a character even when she's dark sakura it's just pity me and while i do feel sorry for her i can't bring myself to like her. and

Spoiler for kohaku:

kohaku was a lot different then sakura, though i really dislike her as well when she's in i'm just a doll mode

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Well they did fantastic with the Rurouni Kenshin Memories and Read or Die OVAs which are clearly their last two big budget anime titles. Lets hope they have a decent budget for this movie.

FFFFFFFFFFF they made RoD? I forgot that... Best. OVA series. Ever.

Yeah, I hope they can accomplish something like that here.

Originally Posted by Flinch

I am a selfless person, and I couldn't really live with myself to be selfish at all.

The very fact that you say something like this with such pride disproves your own assertion.

Originally Posted by Flinch

Oh, and back many generations, my family was sold out by those they fought for and were tortured until they finally broke and admitted to lies. That weighs pretty heavily on your mentality.

But that wasn't you. You aren't your great-great-grandparents.

That doesn't mean a thing. And what does this have to do with calling Sakura greedy anyway?

How is greed entirely a bad thing, anyway?

Originally Posted by ac195

But as of now, I'll just treat you as a potato... because you clearly aren't human.

I agree here. No human is truly selfless unless they're extraordinarily fucked up like Shirou is.

[willyvereb]

Well Shirou's selfish too, but I guess we could call him selfless. And I think it's true to Sakura too(even her dark version was more like twisted than selfish).

I guess there's no human without selfishness because it's part of our self-preservation.
But back to the topic. I hope they make the whole finale more belivable in the movie than the VN's.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by willyvereb

Well Shirou's selfish too, but I guess we could call him selfless.

A large part of HF's story is him deciding to take what he wants for himself...