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2009-09-26, 02:36 | Link #863 |
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I'd think that we'll be "flipping over the chessboard" to see things from the witch's (or actually Beatrice's) point of view (now Battler's side of things) against Erika. So instead of the protagonist being on the Anti-Fantasy side, the protagonist is on the Anti-Mystery side...however since Battler "understands", one gets the impression that these two sides are false...thus you get a new arrangement: Erika on the Anti-Fantasy side: "The truth be damned", and Battler on the side of Truth...as in finding it, Fantasy or no.
Another possibility goes with the idea of the three edged sword. Three sides. Erika as Anti-Fantasy. Lambdadelta as Anti-Mystery. and Battler as the Truth. (Bern is...well...who can tell what Bern is doing for sure?) Unless there is a fourth, unknown side...the culprit. Four Player Chess!
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2009-09-26, 02:52 | Link #864 | |
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My main question about episode 6 is whose thoughts will be allowed to follow? We can't follow Battler's anymore because he knows the truth. Mabye the POV will switch between Ushiromiya family members and the meta-world scenes are just in third person.
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2009-09-26, 07:08 | Link #866 |
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I personally think Battler just knows everything about Beato and her actions, and anything else he needs to be Golden Sorcerer. He might not even know what magic truly is yet, but he can use it- think eating something and not looking at the label, or using a TV you didn't put together yourself. Erika is now considered a witch, (the portrait is hers, after all) but she's still the Anti-Fantasy detective. If you're in the right place, it might be fairly easy to become a witch.
Like Ithekro said, Battler's probably on the line of Mystery and Fantasy now. (Supporting my theory that magic exists, but didn't commit the murders) Now, he needs to find the truth, not just sit around and become Bern, Lamba and Erika's plaything. He knows if he's tortured again, this time it'll be real, not just something Beato did that brought her just as much pain in the end. |
2009-09-26, 07:41 | Link #867 | |
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It is said that the seal method was elaborated by Eva and Erika after dinner. Why? I mean, the gold wasn't discovered yet at that time. And did Eva also think that a murder was going to happen? And why? She didn't give me the impression that she believed the gold could be found. She was actually very upset when battler found it. And after dinner when Erika had the time to place all the seals? We know that soon after dinner she found out about the epitaph. After that she was so excited that she didn't think about anything else for a while in the guesthouse. There is only a short time span when we don't know anything about Erika's actions, and that's when everyone except Battler and Rosa left the guesthouse lounge. That might have been 1 hour or so. However when Battler found Erika again, I don't remember him noticing Erika's hair being soaked. After that we know every of Erika's movement. She's been with Battler until 23:45. After that she played a little in the cousin's room. From midnight to 3 AM she's been with Nanjo. from 3 AM until battler's scream she's been inside her room.
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2009-09-26, 08:03 | Link #868 | |
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Possibilities: 1. It's raining, so "hair is soaked" is natural and doesn't need to be elaborated. 2. Bern-Battler is part of the "team". No need to disclose details that would put Erika in a disadvantage. 3. Minor detail that Battler didn't notice. Kind of unlikely as Bern is controlling Battler at that time.
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2009-09-26, 08:09 | Link #869 |
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Number 2 or 3, maybe. But number 1 is impossible since they used umbrella to get outside.
However Erika's methods to place all the seals (wearing a swimsuit) prevents the use of an umbrella since it wouldn't have been practical (especially if she climbed to the second floor). Even if the swimsuit removed the problem of her dress not being soaked, there's still the problem of her hairs, which are pretty long and couldn't dry that fast in October with all that humidity in the air. But I guess you could still imagine she had a bathing cap...
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2009-09-26, 08:31 | Link #870 | |
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-has never seen before -looks like the portrait -recognizes as "beatrice" -in a clearly non-magical scene. If we don't doubt the head count, the only explanation would be Kashnon... but wait, isn't there a scene in EP5 where everyone alive is in the same room? Kanon and Shanon included? (along with Erika and Battler, so we have a genuine POV) Or am i missing something? And the game ends at October 5/6, so they have one more day to go before her usual midnight appearence. If I'm right, who the hell was that? Because, people seem to be either forgeting about it or have figured it out... (and I'm the only person who didn't ) And why do i get the feeling that I'm writing something incredibly stupid. Btw, about the yakusoku scene, the first thing i thought was that Battler understood everything about Beato's game and purpose, not the murders. So it's not really that obvious. Guess we can only wait for EP6 and see. |
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2009-09-26, 09:17 | Link #871 |
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Well everyone assume's that the Beatrice Battler is seeing on ep4 is someone in disguise. Since the visual conditions aren't good at all (heavy rain, it's far, it's dark), it is possible that Battler doesn't see her well. However only a few people among the 16 could pull such a trick realistically speaking.
There doesn't seem to be any other way to explain this.
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2009-09-26, 10:29 | Link #873 | ||
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Hmm, actually, Kumasawa always lives to just about the eighth or so twilight, right? The only time she didn't(EP3), everything became sloppy. Perhaps she's the painter and staker? Quote:
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Also, if someone wanted to make Battler think she's Beatrice, why put on normal clothes? She should've went in the dress instead. ...unless we assume it's a plan made on the spot and so the dress was unavaiable. But still, if he couldn't guess from clothes, he probably recognized the face. To be honest, disguise in this scene sounds kinda like small bombs to me, but i probably just have a hard time swallowing it. To be honest, I don't get a word of what you're saying. You mean Kumasawa disguised herself as Beatrice? You usually get your hair wet even in a bathing cap. You know, it's a typhoon, they probably still get wet despite the umbrellas. I wouldn't be suprised if i was Battler. |
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2009-09-26, 13:38 | Link #875 |
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Well, you could argue Virgilia and Battler as members in spirit. But I get the impression the Mariage Sorciere is a real thing that existed for Maria and her "Beatrice" prior to 1986, so it may actually be important to know who is "really" a member. But Lord knows if we'll ever see 1998-Ange or hear about that stuff again.
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2009-09-26, 14:04 | Link #876 |
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Kay kay kay, back with another question.
This scene after what I'm assuming is Bern saying that Natsuhi was in bed with Kinzo... the black & white scene, is this describing the murders/Natushi's motives or... what?
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2009-09-26, 14:11 | Link #877 | ||
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A disguise as another person without any clues of it is prohibited. Which person was hinted at potentially disguising themselves as Beatrice? Quote:
Bern knew that Kinzo was dead from the beginning. Everything she did was done to make up false evidence and she didn't care how much Natsuhi would be humiliated.
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2009-09-26, 14:17 | Link #878 | |
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Nah, that's not it. In fact, I was thinking the exact opposite in terms of disguise. Spoiler:
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2009-09-26, 14:23 | Link #879 | |
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If that Beatrice is Jessica, the fact they look similar could be a hint. Or maybe not. We lack a definition of what is it necessary for something to qualify as hint. If you hadn't see the ura tea party and I asked you what kind of hint can prove Battler isn't the detective of ep5, would you really think about that scene? Personally I wouldn't be sure at all.
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2009-09-26, 14:27 | Link #880 | |
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