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View Poll Results: Potential Pairing - Multiple Choice Option
Alto x VF 171 32 12.31%
Ozma x Bobby 13 5.00%
Ranka x Sheryl 42 16.15%
Sheryl x Alto 199 76.54%
Yasaburo x Alto 5 1.92%
Ranka x Ai-kun 38 14.62%
Alto x Klan 14 5.38%
Ranka x Alto 54 20.77%
Ranka x Brera 37 14.23%
Klan x Michael 101 38.85%
Ozma x Cathy 111 42.69%
Luca x Nanase 41 15.77%
Wilder x Monica 41 15.77%
Alto x VF25 37 14.23%
Yasaburo x Alto's father 10 3.85%
Alto x Brera 18 6.92%
Grace x Ranka 12 4.62%
Nanase x Ranka 21 8.08%
Sheryl x Klan 24 9.23%
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Old 2008-12-11, 22:13   Link #3641
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I think it was implied they did a HELL lot more than kiss but whatever, at least some people acknowledge the obvious canon, screencap that they kissed. Gee.
God forbid if it is a kiss without actually showing sticking tongues to each other's throats, i mean srsly.
It's ok, Leon and Cathy covered that base
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I think it was implied they did a HELL lot more than kiss but whatever, at least some people acknowledge the obvious canon, screencap that they kissed. Gee.
God forbid if it is a kiss without actually showing sticking tongues to each other's throats, i mean srsly.
generic japanese drama tactic

dreamy dark mood
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whos to deny that?
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Old 2008-12-11, 22:26   Link #3643
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adding to arc's list:

- mating song playing in the background (namely aimo's on brera's harmonica that sheryl actually mentioned when she said she could hear a lullaby)
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Old 2008-12-11, 22:31   Link #3644
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On the topic of episode 22, *chuckles*...

My cousin's boyfriend was watching it. Then when we get to the part where Sheryl looks up to Alto and say.

"Alto, give me courage."

He misread it and thought:

"Alto, give me children."

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Oh God! Somebody mess with that particular screenshot. XDD Seriously. LOL.
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adding to arc's list:

- mating song playing in the background (namely aimo's on brera's harmonica that sheryl actually mentioned when she said she could hear a lullaby)
It's all clear to me now. Thank you.

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On the topic of episode 22, *chuckles*...

My cousin's boyfriend was watching it. Then when we get to the part where Sheryl looks up to Alto and say.

"Alto, give me courage."

He misread it and thought:

"Alto, give me children."

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Oh God! Somebody mess with that particular screenshot. XDD Seriously. LOL.
I would but I'm at work. XDDDD Maybe later fufufu!
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On the topic of episode 22, *chuckles*...

My cousin's boyfriend was watching it. Then when we get to the part where Sheryl looks up to Alto and say. "Alto, give me courage."

He misread it and thought:

"Alto, give me children."

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Oh God! Somebody mess with that particular screenshot. XDD Seriously. LOL.
ahahahahah.
Actually when i watched it thr first time my mind went on a nasty thing instead of courage. XD
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Old 2008-12-11, 22:34   Link #3647
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I should have probably toned down my post, but it's out now, and I don't regret it. I should be getting a warning or temporary banning from the mods shortly I'm sure. Not the first time, and not the last.

The truth is, Sheryl has been one of the best female characters in anime history. She's also done more to build a foundation for a relationship with Alto, than Ranka could dream of building. Their interactions are much more of adult couples, where as you get the feeling of awkward 12 year olds the way Alto and Ranka's 'romantic' moments have been shown to the audience.

Time and time again, the thought processes of Alto and Sheryl as characters, have been revealed to be on a completely different playing field from Ranka. Ranka's only kissed Alto once in the entire show, and it was a scene in a movie! Every kiss from Sheryl to Alto, has drawn out all sorts of emotions out of him. Far more than the standard "garrr!!!" we get when he gets angry. There was far more focus on Ranka after the movie kiss, than on both Alto and Ranka. Unlike the Sheryl x Alto kisses. The angles, the scenes, the moods, everything has been setup differently.

I get very charged up emotionally. I hide my emotions/thoughts/feelings on my sleeve for everyone to see. And like Isamu, I'm always looking for that physical rush or emotional high. You don't drive a 550hp supercharged corvette without being emotional.
Yes I agree that you should be emotionally involved but that first response was really over done, you really had some unnecessary comments in there that I didn't appreciate, but as for your comments this time around, well I agree. Sheryl did have an amazing role in being built and that was thanks to that guy that took over (I forget his name) but you know what I mean, he took over from like 17-24 or something, not sure about the exact numbers but he did a great job at building Sheryl and I'm just sad that Kawamori couldn't do the same for Ranka so at least people would like her more -_-
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Old 2008-12-11, 22:37   Link #3648
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Oh, fuckin' a 'mate. We still got me some serious nay sayers 'ere. Thats fuckin' great. To think the some of you are still denying that scene every happened.

No, seriously, watch J-Drama much? All too common.

Besides, explain why Alto came out with his jacket hanging over his shoulders instead of wearing them. The producers included that little detail intentionally, for a good reason.

And I have good laughs when nay sayers go in circles trying to explain why Alto took his jacket off. Go on and tell me yours, I doubt its not something I've not heard before.

As for poor Ranka, Kawamori himself already indicated quite clearly that he had no idea what to do with her middle of the show. It simply didn't work out for him, especially with some of the intended scenes that most Ranka fans crave/imagined but weren't shown. The connection simply wasn't there, and he could not, as he admitted, produce the right chemistry. At the end of a particular interview, he did mention Ranka having "issues with looking into the world" and she being "close-minded with very little awareness". His lasting remark being "learning to deal with reality/bigger environment might be a lesson for her from now on".

As for Sheryl, he mentioned how much he regretted for not being able to "realize her potential sooner".

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Besides, explain why Alto came out with his jacket hanging over his shoulders instead of wearing them. The producers included that little detail intentionally, for a good reason.
He was covering the butterfly that was getting cold and also happened to stood into Sheryl's ear. I mean that would explain why Alto turned his head left as well, which ZOMG no kiss, are you kidding me? There was NO zoom enough!11 {yeah, lame sarcasm so some people might get it}
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He was covering the butterfly that was getting cold and also happened to stood into Sheryl's ear. I mean that would explain why Alto turned his head left as well, which ZOMG no kiss, are you kidding me? There was NO zoom enough!11 {yeah, lame sarcasm so some people might get it}


But I do say, this can be stretched further. They never fail to do so.
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But I do say, this can be stretched further. They never fail to do so.
Oh we know the truth though, don't we? XD
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Oh we know the truth though, don't we? XD
Every single drop of it.
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Yes I agree that you should be emotionally involved but that first response was really over done, you really had some unnecessary comments in there that I didn't appreciate, but as for your comments this time around, well I agree. Sheryl did have an amazing role in being built and that was thanks to that guy that took over (I forget his name) but you know what I mean, he took over from like 17-24 or something, not sure about the exact numbers but he did a great job at building Sheryl and I'm just sad that Kawamori couldn't do the same for Ranka so at least people would like her more -_-
Sheryl has had depth since episode 1(the first version). Anyone who'd been watching anime or j-drama in general could see there was more to her than just some 'pop idol'.

Ranka's claim to fame was her phone and her hair.
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Oh, fuckin' a 'mate. We still got me some serious nay sayers 'ere. Thats fuckin' great. To think the some of you are still denying that scene every happened.

No, seriously, watch J-Drama much? All too common.

Besides, explain why Alto came out with his jacket hanging over his shoulders instead of wearing them. The producers included that little detail intentionally, for a good reason.

And I have good laughs when nay sayers go in circles trying to explain why Alto took his jacket off. Go on and tell me yours, I doubt its not something I've not heard before.

As for poor Ranka, Kawamori himself already indicated quite clearly that he had no idea what to do with her middle of the show. It simply didn't work out for him, especially with some of the intended scenes that most Ranka fans crave/imagined but weren't shown. The connection simply wasn't there, and he could not, as he admitted, produce the right chemistry. At the end of a particular interview, he did mention Ranka having "issues with looking into the world" and she being "close-minded with very little awareness". His lasting remark being "learning to deal with reality/bigger environment might be a lesson for her from now on".

As for Sheryl, he mentioned how much he regretted for not being able to "realize her potential sooner".

- Tak
Actually I'm very interested in reading that interview or whatever it was, may I ask someone to give me a link to it with the english translations because I love to read these type of comments. Just curious. And yeah I just watched episode 22 again to see that I honestly didn't realize he did have his jacket over his shoulders, you're right but I really want to read the information that Kawamori has said.
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Actually I'm very interested in reading that interview or whatever it was, may I ask someone to give me a link to it with the english translations because I love to read these type of comments. Just curious. And yeah I just watched episode 22 again to see that I honestly didn't realize he did have his jacket over his shoulders, you're right but I really want to read the information that Kawamori has said.
http://www.presepe.jp/m44/sp/id/BeWkJEnOCYY=/

Please use the search function for the English translation.

I really don't want to translate the whole thing, or even partially, again.

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http://www.presepe.jp/m44/sp/id/BeWkJEnOCYY=/

Please use the search function for the English translation.

I really don't want to translate the whole thing, or even partially, again.

- Tak
Ok thanks a lot.
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Old 2008-12-12, 02:25   Link #3657
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God... This thread is getting fancier and fancier as the posts are added!

/Delurks

It's funny that some Ranka fans seem to be want to talk and grasp their own hope by talking and arguing in certain Social Group... With the reasoning that "Because the forum is Sheryl Forum!!1!1" So? Bashing is bound to happen if the character doesn't meet the expectation of people, especially when the certain character was given so many screentimes that people is getting an overdose amount of seeing that certain character.

Regarding the romance, Kawamori seems (to me) to want to practise the different kinds of love : the pure love and the developed love. Ranka claims the pure love, with the amount of romantic (suppossedly) shots of her and Alto and how Alto does (somehow) think her as someone to protect from the first time, while Sheryl claims the developed love, with the amount of conversation about each other and they DO grow from "just know the name" to "friends" to someone genuinely important.

Unfortunately, since pure love has been too generic, most people doesn't feel to support the kind of pairing. Moreso when Ranka's world practically revolves around Alto (or I might say, her co-dependency to Alto) like in Episode 16 (although she does grow in Episode 21... But then again, the growth has double-edge effect) and their relationship is only supported mainly by damsel-in-distress moments. Iceberg just fall upon the way of this pairing when their basis foundation of love is only sudden blushing and gazing at each other eyes.

If only Ranka can muster up her courage like in 15 and doesn't act more and more dependent to Alto in more than 5 episodes, maybe more people would like her character and genuinely support her even if the certain fan does like AltoxSheryl.

As for Sheryl, I need not to add more of the fuel, but their kind of relationship is such a rarity in anime that this BL fan can claim her love for het back In other words, their relationship is believable, has the solid and growing foundation, does progress, and full of dynamic to sum up my thoughts. Practically the type of relationship that is very scarce since how Japanese love pure love better

This is just an opinion of a biased fan of Sheryl but of course. Then again maybe the fact that I aready have seen enough poorly developed pure love that I might gag when I see the type again enforces my dislike to the pairing

/Lurks
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Oh, God... are we back again to "But they didnīt kiss!" ? I thought we already had that discussion some months ago. Yes, they did kiss, and, hey, probably made love.
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Really now, whats so wrong about Alto x Ranka? They'd make a cute couple just as much as Alto x Sheryl. I actually prefer the former.

The scene with Alto x Sheryl are subjective to the viewer. I myself believe they kissed but beyond that I don't think so.

Sheryl isn't that easy, neither is Alto. If they are.. oh well.
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Oh, fuckin' a 'mate. We still got me some serious nay sayers 'ere. Thats fuckin' great. To think the some of you are still denying that scene every happened.

No, seriously, watch J-Drama much? All too common.

Besides, explain why Alto came out with his jacket hanging over his shoulders instead of wearing them. The producers included that little detail intentionally, for a good reason.

And I have good laughs when nay sayers go in circles trying to explain why Alto took his jacket off. Go on and tell me yours, I doubt its not something I've not heard before.
During a make-out sessions, things can get hot, removing the jacket is merely a way to allow excess heat to leave. I re-watched the scene, if his shirt had been un-tucked it would have been a different story, but it was only his jacket.

I'm not saying that they didn't kiss. But beyond that its whatever someone wants to believe. Besides, Alto was in protective "I'll do anything for you" mode at the time.

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As for poor Ranka, Kawamori himself already indicated quite clearly that he had no idea what to do with her middle of the show. It simply didn't work out for him, especially with some of the intended scenes that most Ranka fans crave/imagined but weren't shown. The connection simply wasn't there, and he could not, as he admitted, produce the right chemistry. At the end of a particular interview, he did mention Ranka having "issues with looking into the world" and she being "close-minded with very little awareness". His lasting remark being "learning to deal with reality/bigger environment might be a lesson for her from now on".
Sure, Kawamori said those things. Yes, Alto did ignore Ranka most of the time and yes he was using her as a way to escape. Also yes, Ranka was childish at times.

But that doesn't dismiss the fact that Alto was aware of Ranka's feelings. He made it clear in ep23 that previously he just didn't want to see what was in front of him, that he was running away. During that conversation with Klan, he also states that "that" is over now, and he's not running away. Now given that he made it clear that he cared for her and he knew about her feelings towards him, tell me, what was over?

When he said "its over now", doesn't that mean he'll stop seeing Ranka as an excuse and stop trying not to see her attraction towards him? Doesn't that mean he's going to stop ignoring his own feelings towards her?

And before you say, "WHAT FEELINGS!" it's heavily hinted in the same conversation that he cared and still cares for her. Mind you, this was written by Ohnogi, not Kawamori.

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That's his own fault and frankly we all suffered for it. But thats no excuse to shaft a character to make way for a different one.

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God... This thread is getting fancier and fancier as the posts are added!

/Delurks

*snip*

/Lurks
That's quite funny in itself. Don't lurk, it just kills discussion. And this is a Sheryl forum, there's no doubt... but telling us we're delusional and grasping our own hope? Not likely.

About your reasoning of "pure love" and "developed love" I mostly agree.

"Developed love" works from the ground up and has its ups and downs. The couple suffers conflicts but they grow together and compliment each other in the end rather well. On the other hand, "Pure love" is akin to being struck by cupids arrow. It's hard to believe and accept because it rarely happens IRL. But guess what? As much as its hard to believe, it does happen on occasions.

It's true that Alto x Sheryl is a sort of developed love, whereas Alto x Ranka is supposed to be sort of a "hit and click" sort of romance. There was, is, and could have had chemistry if Kawamori had taken a different path. Alto x Ranka is just as alive to me as Alto x Sheryl due to its possibilities.
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