Tales of the Abyss generic anime discussion

[demon_god04]

About Ion and the passage rings, it was mentioned, atleast in the game, that those devices where pretty much impervious to anything. Ion only opened them because he believed that the God Generals would not be able to do anything to the passage rings themselves and that they would not want to as it would be pretty much committing suicide. Had he refused then Asche or the other God Generals would have killed him leaving the Mohs faction in power.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by kilroy0097

Luke irritates the crap outta me and has since Episode 1. He needs a muzzle to keep his mouth shut. Maybe someone can conjure their magic and remove his voice for a few episodes. That might help.

LMAO maybe they can pull a Touma on Luke i find him much more tolerable since he lost his memory maybe Luke needs the same treatment. Oh well we know that eventually he will start to gradually change because as the story progresses Luke will eventually find out what he wants to do himself not what others want him to do and i think as he covers are shredded 1 by 1 it will force him to face man up. Im just wondering how the whole things Natalia will work out, since now she knows that the Luke she has been caring for all these years is not the one she made the promise with.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

LMAO maybe they can pull a Touma on Luke i find him much more tolerable since he lost his memory maybe Luke needs the same treatment. Oh well we know that eventually he will start to gradually change because as the story progresses Luke will eventually find out what he wants to do himself not what others want him to do and i think as he covers are shredded 1 by 1 it will force him to face man up. Im just wondering how the whole things Natalia will work out, since now she knows that the Luke she has been caring for all these years is not the one she made the promise with.

I'm still not sure memory wipes are a good way to develop someone. Since your almost killing who they used to be and leaving a person who is pretty lost. That situation is almost a reverse Luke and we saw how well he's turned out to this point .

On the positive at least it makes sense now why Luke couldn't remember remember the promise . Sure some might say she was wasting time trying to get the guy to remember something he never experienced. Guess her behaviour toward Luke from now on will really depend on the strength of the bond she's made with him since the kidnapping. Definitely a shock to find out something along those lines.

[-Sho-]

Just watch episode 7 :
Seriously Luke piss me off with his altitude , he depends of his master !
Ion is like a gay !I don't like jade's style !The story is a little boring and typic !
I think Asch is the Luke's brother and Luke was kidnapped because he got the phonon (maybe)
For me it will be always ToS the best !

[yolin.shana]

I-I-I-Ion, gay? O_o

[Crimrui]

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Just watch episode 7 :
Seriously Luke piss me off with his altitude , he depends of his master !

Apart for being annoying, let me see you trapped in your house for a few years and having none other then your family and friend coming to visit you from time to time teaching you. And imagine yourself going into unknown world next where you meet a bunch of people, and later, your old friend joins you. Who will you trust the most?

Ion is like a gay !I don't like jade's style !The story is a little boring and typic !

So everyone who has a bit of girly voice and is addictive in helping others is gay to you?

I think Asch is the Luke's brother and Luke was kidnapped because he got the phonon (maybe)
For me it will be always ToS the best !

If you think that then of course the story seems typical for you.

[Narona]

I can't wait to watch the episode 9 . I think that Luke is a complete jerk so far (sorry), but I wanna see what he will do now that he knows the truth.

Will his personnality become even worse?

I wonder why Asch didn't kill him <_<. I guess it's because of Tear who protected Luke ^^

[demon_god04]

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Just watch episode 7 :
Seriously Luke piss me off with his altitude , he depends of his master !
Ion is like a gay !I don't like jade's style !The story is a little boring and typic !
I think Asch is the Luke's brother and Luke was kidnapped because he got the phonon (maybe)
For me it will be always ToS the best !

Crimson Cloud already replied but to expand on that.

Luke idolized Van because Van was the only one to give him something that Luke wanted. It comes into play later but Luke's mother was the only one who was not distant to him in that house, among his family. It is okay if Luke pisses you off but it is also important to understand why he is what he is.

You know, if you were going to make these claims, the least you could do is support them with your reasoning. And your acclaimed ToS was even more of a typical story then TotA. Hell it was almost like the story in ToS was modeled after FF10 with some tweaks. I liked ToS but if you were going to trash another series for something then do the same for the other that you hold up on a pedestal.

You point about Asch and Luke is already answered in episode 8 last week.

[ThoHell]

Man I thought Kouichi from Kurogane​ no​ Linebarrels​ was annoying, Luke is just someone NO ONE CAN LIKE! Don't see how anyone can put up with him or don't see how anyone can lack so much common sense. He needs to be told of or tossed away, there's nothing good about him. Tear and the others compared him to a child, but even a little kid is more mature than him.

ARG, anyways didn't mean to go on ranting about dislikes. Downloading ep 8 now, hoping for some improvements!

[Deathkillz]

No way, I find Kouichi way more annoying than Luke...they are worlds apart if you compare Luke to the first two episode character of Kouichi...

It's just that they had to do something to tone his annoying personality down otherwise less and less people will be watching that series

Though seriously, they are both bad but the "forced" character development is sure going to try to turn that around.

[ThoHell]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

No way, I find Kouichi way more annoying than Luke...they are worlds apart if you compare Luke to the first two episode character of Kouichi...

It's just that they had to do something to tone his annoying personality down otherwise less and less people will be watching that series

Though seriously, they are both bad but the "forced" character development is sure going to try to turn that around.

Oh yeah if you compare the first few episodes, Kouichi is obnoxious but he's developing and changing, unlike Luke. Luke has been the same all throughout; completely self centered with diarrhea of the mouth! This season just seems to have a lot of bad leads.....

[ravebeing]

Originally Posted by ThoHell

Oh yeah if you compare the first few episodes, Kouichi is obnoxious but he's developing and changing, unlike Luke. Luke has been the same all throughout; completely self centered with diarrhea of the mouth! This season just seems to have a lot of bad leads.....

Luke won't be staying the same, he starts to change in ep. 9. He gets better, you'll see.

[ThoHell]

Originally Posted by ravebeing

Luke won't be staying the same, he starts to change in ep. 9. He gets better, you'll see.

Finally watched ep 8. Hopefully since he has now been slapped hard with reality in ep 08 that things will change. But still, is such a denial of his own actions even possible? Well it's all starting to make sense now, but I see don't see how his actions can be disregarded or forgiven so easily. Asch needs to kill him, however, it seems Tear will save him and like become his support pillar or something.

Ok, time to wait for ep 9!

[demon_god04]

One of the points that were brought up is that Luke dying would not bring back Akzeriuth but rather just make him feel better. Him living is living with the burden of what he has done if anything him dying is the easy way out. How is his one life supposed to account for all the ones lost at Akzeriuth.

[yolin.shana]

Originally Posted by ThoHell

But still, is such a denial of his own actions even possible?

Of course it is. Denial is the first natural reaction to (unexpected) bad news.
Some people express it more strongly than others, but everyone goes through that.
It usually doesn't last long, but the other characters didn't even give him a chance to get out of this stage on his own, only resulting in increasing his denial. That's a common defense mechanism, and for someone who isn't used to hide his sentiments like Luke, it's no wonder it came out so strongly.

[serenade_beta]

Guy, Myuu, impression UP
Everyone else, impression DOWN

Mou, saa, temeera ha arienai, majide...

Spoiler for ep9:

Guy... I'm touched by his words! Good friends really are important, huh...

On the other side, the rest just get more annoying. I wondered why people disliked Abyss' characters... I think I'm starting to understand, hai.
And Natalia... Oh nice, we find the real Luke and you start calling him that, practically meaning she doesn't find Luke as Luke anymore. What were those 7 years for? Nice, great.


As for the story... What was that cut at the end. When did Asch get there and when did Luke faint?... Eh?...
As always, an anime that loves cutting and getting to (too much) the point...

Didn't really find most of the episode interesting (whatever they were talking about), but the hair cutting scene was good... Luke's going to change, huh... Good luck!
Though I liked the old Luke...
Haven't seen any of the new Luke, so I'll have to wait on that for now...

Preview: Oh, Regret is back.

[ThoHell]

Originally Posted by yolin.shana

Of course it is. Denial is the first natural reaction to (unexpected) bad news.
Some people express it more strongly than others, but everyone goes through that.
It usually doesn't last long, but the other characters didn't even give him a chance to get out of this stage on his own, only resulting in increasing his denial. That's a common defense mechanism, and for someone who isn't used to hide his sentiments like Luke, it's no wonder it came out so strongly.

Yeah of course denial is a self defense mechanism, everyone with common sense knows that. But his was off the charts. The guy just killed thousands of people and would of even have been sorry or felt as if anything was his fault and shrugged it all off if no one had pointed out his stupidity. There's a boarder line with what's acceptable and what isn't, and to me I felt that it wasn't.


But anyways a lot of the character got plenty of screws loose, only character that's drawing me to this series is Tear........ hmm that might be somewhat wrong.

[Nvenya]

The greater the tragedy, the greater his denial. Like I said before, no one wants to accept that they are partly responsible for killing so many people, being a replica and being betrayed by the person you trust the most in the world. Especially when he thought he was going to be a hero and save everyone.

Let's also not forget the trope, poor communication kills, that someone mentioned before being a big part of the problem. Luke was a self-centered brat who was brought to a place he shouldn't have been by a man hell-bent on destroying Akzeriuth for reasons yet unknown.

I remember playing the game and expecting everyone to be surprised, confused and hating on Van. Certainly I knew that Luke wouldn't come away clean from that, but I didn't expect the full-on blame that he received. Let us not forget that the villain is Van, not Luke.

Spoiler for Ep09:

They sure did cut a bit. It also looks like they are painting Asch in a more favorable light for the anime. I'm definitely happy about that. I didn't like the way he treated Natalia in the game so this is much better.

[Shirachi]

It's amusing how people are beginning to come over to Luke's side now that the party took a stab at him. Fans bashing the character is fine, after all! But if the actual characters in the story bash him, blasphemy! I would have been worried if they hadn't after Akzeriuth, but everyone is calling them fickle instead? Touchy.

The one thing that made Abyss my favorite of the Tales of series was because the characters were realistic, in a way. No, "oh you betrayed us, but welcome back anyway!" mentality. Luke has to actually earn the trust of his comrades back, they don't just go, as it's been mentioned, "we forgive you!" and go on their merry way.

Spoiler for Episode 9:

Well, it's here: good-bye, my beloved brat.

But moving on, I have to applaud Sunrise for including the Asch Gaiden from the manga (however I may have disliked it); it makes me feel more sympathy for his character early on, rather than at the end of the game. I especially liked the music piece they choose to play in the background.

It's a shame that they cut (no pun intended) Luke's shining moment short, sure they excluded some needless chatting, but it came off as a "Oh, we forgot about these guys!" moment. Probably didn't helped I watched it RAW.

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by Shirachi

It's amusing how people are beginning to come over to Luke's side now that the party took a stab at him. Fans bashing the character is fine, after all! But if the actual characters in the story bash him, blasphemy! I would have been worried if they hadn't after Akzeriuth, but everyone is calling them fickle instead? Touchy.

Sorya, naa...
Maa, I was always on Luke's side, so I don't really know what'ya saying (or see it)~