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bladeofdarkness · 2009-12-07, 15:51

as does mine
lelouch choosing a needlessly bloody path, invalidates his chosen path
suzaku's old retoric about the wrongful means corrupting the results, while not really logical for MOST of the show, here is actually quite fitting

i know lelouch is not suppose to be a saint
but having him basiclly say "i've ran out of EVIL people to take my wrath out on, but the world is still not quite how i like it, so its time to target normal people" is pretty absurd
he killed clovis and had a hard time with it
he killed sheirly's father and had a hard time with it
then suddenly he's perfectly willing (and INTENDING) to start massacring people on mass ?
thats just fucked up

Narona · 2009-12-07, 15:54

So, now we know there will a new manga and possibily a new anime from it, what would you guys like to see about lelouch? What kind of personnality are you expecting?

I tend to think it would be boring if he gets the same personality as in R1 and R2. Maybe he'll be the big bad guy this time around

bladeofdarkness · 2009-12-07, 15:59

isnt he kinda dead

did they confirm that they would bring him back

Narona · 2009-12-07, 16:02

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isnt he kinda dead

did they confirm that they would bring him back

I'm talking about this lelouch look-a-like from the pic in newtype

I guess he'll have a different name, just as Renya who resembles suzaku.

Kuroshinobu · 2009-12-07, 16:13

His cape has a symbol on it, however; I cannot remember if it is the Black Knight's or Eden Vital symbol.

I do however hope (not to start any flaming) that Reifuu C.C. is more involved with the Lelouch look-a-like than with Renya.

Rising Dragon · 2009-12-07, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Narona

I'm talking about this lelouch look-a-like from the pic in newtype

I guess he'll have a different name, just as Renya who resembles suzaku.

In the meantime, I will call him Not-Lelouch.

Narona · 2009-12-07, 16:16

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Originally Posted by Kuroshinobu

His cape has a symbol on it, however; I cannot remember if it is the Black Knight's or Eden Vital symbol.

I do however hope (not to start any flaming) that Reifuu C.C. is more involved with the Lelouch look-a-like than with Renya.

Is it not definitely the Black Knight symbol?

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In the meantime, I will call him Not-Lelouch.

From msn, you said:

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He looks like the impossible lovechild of Lelouch and Xingke

So let's call him Xing-Lelou or Lelouch-ke

Kuroshinobu · 2009-12-07, 16:18

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Originally Posted by Narona

Is it not definitely the Black Knight symbol?

That's also what I thought, but if that's true that means Lelouch must have had some knowledge of the look-a-like's faction or whatever.

In addition to that, wouldn't C.C. also comment on the fact that she's seem the same symbol before? Oh well. :]

Narona · 2009-12-07, 16:20

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That's also what I thought, but if that's true that means Lelouch must have had some knowledge of the look-a-like's faction or whatever.

If Lelouch is the reincarnation of that guy, and "if", in this world, reincarnated people keep some memories of their previous lifes, it would make sense he uses the same symbol.

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In addition to that, wouldn't C.C. also comment on the fact that she's seem the same symbol before? Oh well. :]

I don't remember, feel free to post the episode if you find the scene

Rising Dragon · 2009-12-07, 16:22

Or maybe Lelouch saw it in a history book or something and thought it was cool.

Narona · 2009-12-07, 16:23

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Or maybe Lelouch saw it in a history book or something and thought it was cool.

Best explanation so far

But that's not fabulous enough

Rising Dragon · 2009-12-07, 16:27

Actually if we wanted to be serious... well, this symbol is apparently first appearing in Japan's past, right? And the Black Knights' is made up primarily of Japanese in the beginning. So it would make sense for Lelouch to pick the symbol for historical significance. Maybe its something that the Japanese can relate to, and maybe Lelouch didn't realize that it was also related to Geass.

Narona · 2009-12-07, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Actually if we wanted to be serious... well, this symbol is apparently first appearing in Japan's past, right? And the Black Knights' is made up primarily of Japanese in the beginning. So it would make sense for Lelouch to pick the symbol for historical significance. Maybe its something that the Japanese can relate to, and maybe Lelouch didn't realize that it was also related to Geass.

Imo, that would be a cheap explanation since it is not explained in R1. Sure it works, but that sounds cheap (I know, I know that my "reincarnation" explanation's not better but still)

Rising Dragon · 2009-12-07, 16:34

To be fair, Taniguchi's probably working off elements from Code Geass for this new story. Recycling for a prequel, in a sense. When the Black Knights' symbol was made, they probably didn't have a backstory for it.

Kuroshinobu · 2009-12-07, 16:44

Well that means that whoever the Lelouch guy is, he will have a massive impact on Japanese history.

If Lelouch chose that emblem to be the sign of the Black Knights, than that means he must also have made a large impact on Japanese people as a whole.

DN24 · 2009-12-07, 20:27

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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

he killed clovis and had a hard time with it
he killed sheirly's father and had a hard time with it
then suddenly he's perfectly willing (and INTENDING) to start massacring people on mass ?
thats just fucked up

I think he's just that fucked up ever since the beginning.And he never really care about people he doesnt know beside that time on the street with Kallen( probably because if he wouldnt do something she'll get into trouble)

Clovis was his brother after all, he was fine killing the soldiers.
He cared about Shirley's father because he's Shirley' father..he was not the only non-evil person he killed during that landslide

And then SAZ...even if he went with his original plan...more than half of the people in that stadium would be kill, the Black knights just can't save all of them in the confusion. And after all,why save them? They didn't choose Zero, they chose Euphie and Suzaku
During the Black rebellion, the only place that was safe was AShford( because Nunnally and all his friend was there), other people can die

And what's so suddenly about willing to massacre people, the goal was to destroy Britania.You can't destroy them with just liberating Japan, there're others Areas and Britania mainland. The only way to archive his goal was through mass murdering.

ncrushx · 2009-12-07, 23:56

Can anybody tell me if this theory works?

If you remember that Charles grabbed Lelouch's throat, but didn't choke him in a previous episode. I believe that was the transfer of the code, and the code is on Lelouch's neck. After that, the anime never did show Lelouch's neck.

Would this make him alive in a way? You can't have Geass if you have the code, but they never said anything if it came from 2 different contracts.

So, it works right?

Grey Dawn · 2009-12-08, 00:06

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Originally Posted by ncrushx

Can anybody tell me if this theory works?

If you remember that Charles grabbed Lelouch's throat, but didn't choke him in a previous episode. I believe that was the transfer of the code, and the code is on Lelouch's neck. After that, the anime never did show Lelouch's neck.

Would this make him alive in a way?

We were never told how the code transfers, and it was stated repeatedly from a lot of sources that Lelouch died. So no, unless they retcon it.

ncrushx · 2009-12-08, 00:07

Ehh, but it works doens't it? It logically/technically makes sense. 2 contracts have nothing to coincide with each other.

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Can anybody tell me if this theory works?

If you remember that Charles grabbed Lelouch's throat, but didn't choke him in a previous episode. I believe that was the transfer of the code, and the code is on Lelouch's neck. After that, the anime never did show Lelouch's neck.

Would this make him alive in a way? You can't have Geass if you have the code, but they never said anything if it came from 2 different contracts.

So, it works right?

Sol Falling · 2009-12-08, 00:32

Lelouch's cape/collar was covering his neck at the time, as much as his cape/collar covers his neck in any later scene. If Charles' hand actually touched Lelouch's neck itself and transferred the code, we would be able to see it.

(lol no but seriously, the creators say he is dead. That means he is dead. However 'logical' Lelouch being alive may seem to you or me, from the creator's standpoint he is logically dead.)

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bladeofdarkness Um-Shmum Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts Age: 39	as does mine lelouch choosing a needlessly bloody path, invalidates his chosen path suzaku's old retoric about the wrongful means corrupting the results, while not really logical for MOST of the show, here is actually quite fitting i know lelouch is not suppose to be a saint but having him basiclly say "i've ran out of EVIL people to take my wrath out on, but the world is still not quite how i like it, so its time to target normal people" is pretty absurd he killed clovis and had a hard time with it he killed sheirly's father and had a hard time with it then suddenly he's perfectly willing (and INTENDING) to start massacring people on mass ? thats just fucked up __________________

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bladeofdarkness Um-Shmum Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts Age: 39	isnt he kinda dead did they confirm that they would bring him back __________________

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Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Actually if we wanted to be serious... well, this symbol is apparently first appearing in Japan's past, right? And the Black Knights' is made up primarily of Japanese in the beginning. So it would make sense for Lelouch to pick the symbol for historical significance. Maybe its something that the Japanese can relate to, and maybe Lelouch didn't realize that it was also related to Geass. __________________

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Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	To be fair, Taniguchi's probably working off elements from Code Geass for this new story. Recycling for a prequel, in a sense. When the Black Knights' symbol was made, they probably didn't have a backstory for it. __________________

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Narona Emotionless White Face Join Date: Feb 2008	So, now we know there will a new manga and possibily a new anime from it, what would you guys like to see about lelouch? What kind of personnality are you expecting? I tend to think it would be boring if he gets the same personality as in R1 and R2. Maybe he'll be the big bad guy this time around

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Kuroshinobu Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Vancouver BC	His cape has a symbol on it, however; I cannot remember if it is the Black Knight's or Eden Vital symbol. I do however hope (not to start any flaming) that Reifuu C.C. is more involved with the Lelouch look-a-like than with Renya.

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Kuroshinobu Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Vancouver BC	Well that means that whoever the Lelouch guy is, he will have a massive impact on Japanese history. If Lelouch chose that emblem to be the sign of the Black Knights, than that means he must also have made a large impact on Japanese people as a whole.

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ncrushx Member Join Date: Dec 2009	Can anybody tell me if this theory works? If you remember that Charles grabbed Lelouch's throat, but didn't choke him in a previous episode. I believe that was the transfer of the code, and the code is on Lelouch's neck. After that, the anime never did show Lelouch's neck. Would this make him alive in a way? You can't have Geass if you have the code, but they never said anything if it came from 2 different contracts. So, it works right?

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Sol Falling Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 35	Lelouch's cape/collar was covering his neck at the time, as much as his cape/collar covers his neck in any later scene. If Charles' hand actually touched Lelouch's neck itself and transferred the code, we would be able to see it. (lol no but seriously, the creators say he is dead. That means he is dead. However 'logical' Lelouch being alive may seem to you or me, from the creator's standpoint he is logically dead.)