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Perfect 10 | 17 | 29.82% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 26.32% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 18 | 31.58% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 10.53% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.75% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2009-09-07, 15:34 | Link #83 |
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As for whole wolf-human form and differences of virginities...
Well I would like to ask what most of you consider virginity to be - is it strictly physical (hymen) or is it the state of mind? Lets say, compare two cases: if the girl was raped as a child once, would you say she is not a virgin? Or better yet does a girl who still has her hymen in tact but was making out naked with more men you could count and did some oral sex, is counted as a bigger virgin than the one in the first case? Like in Gekkoh - the heroine still has her hymen (which belongs to the main hero I guess) but have been french kissing with majority of guys in the maga, allowing them to grope her naked body and some even lick her vagina (all that did not happen was putting it in and breaking the hymen, though in some cases it almost happened and she was more than willing, just some accidents got in the way). So is the second (Gekkoh) type of girl is more innocent and a real virgin while compared to the first case? |
2009-09-07, 15:51 | Link #85 | |
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2009-09-07, 15:59 | Link #86 | ||
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The innocence myth is perhaps the most laughable. Saying someone is sexually pure or innocent because they are virgin is so naive/delusional it is almost painful to witness. As a result, virginity is, to me, an emotional state of being. Not a physical one. I do not value it, because it means a lack of experience, but I do not feel it is such a negative that I cannot be intimate with someone I really care about. That being said, I'm not exactly the most "experienced" person out there, so I'll keep the rest of my opinions to myself. |
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2009-09-08, 01:21 | Link #89 |
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This show's best asset is subtlety. It doesn't break it down to hand-feed it's audience. We either get it, or we don't. When we get it, the satisfaction and the appreciation that follows is so tangible. Loved every minute of this episode.
I'm also grateful to SFW for doing such a good job with the translation and the effort they are putting in with the editing. Every innovative series throws fansubbers different kind of challenges. This show is all about balancing translation and editing. SFW has been stellar so far in those categories to say the least. Thank you guys!
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2009-09-08, 06:17 | Link #90 |
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So can we cosnider your question answered, fish eric?
It all depends on what you imagine virginity to be, thus if you think it is the state of mind then her having a mate in wolf form would make her a non-virgin in human form even if she had a hymen. If you think virginity as just physical (thus admitting that Gekkoh kind of heroine who had been in a arms of too many men to count without loosing her hymen is a virgin), then her having a hymen in human form would make her a virgin, no matter how many experiences she had in wolf form. |
2009-09-08, 23:42 | Link #92 | |
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The question is not what virginity is, but is there anyone, human or wolf, that Horo was intimiate to enough to willingly give her body away, matter not in wolf form or in human form.
IMO, virginity is a state of mind, in which the girl herself considers still having a physical and mentally complete "one and only" thing to give away. Quote:
Or she might have a wolf partner after becoming immortal and (may be) losing her reproductive capability at some point, yet still not capable of transforming into her human form by then. |
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2009-09-09, 00:56 | Link #94 | |
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You are saying that simple wolves become gods, right? But if a wolf becomes a god and does not have any ties with a previous life (nor memory, nor the body (as you can see god wolf bod in different from a normal wolf, not to mention the fact that she has had to be old enough to mate but after becoming a god her age turned into younger or else she could not co-exist in the pack lead by others)) you can just as successfully say she was created out of nothing. Its like I would be saying that you before you became a human lived your life as herring and you have a true family swimming somewhere in a sea. It is pointless because it is just illogical claim about the fact that can never be denied or confirmed because no possible ties to the current situation exist. I mean neither her mind, nor her body is the same and her offspring are already dead (even if they are alive and turned into gods, their connection with Horo would be gone for the same reason - their mind and body changed). Last edited by Darknemo2000; 2009-09-09 at 01:06. |
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2009-09-09, 01:00 | Link #95 |
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My adult body is pretty different from my toddler one, and I have no memory of that time either. It doesn't mean I was never a toddler.
I suppose it's possible she could have been born a normal wolf pup, become a normal wolf alpha, evolved into an infant god - leaving her normal wolf pack at the same time - and only then started acquiring memories as we think of them. |
2009-09-09, 01:02 | Link #96 |
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I have to say this discussion for the last couple pages was something to read. We've definitely gone into a philosophical place with this virginity issue. It is impressive how everyone can get into this in a calm way.
Anyways I can't wait for the next episode. I'm really uncertain if it was a bluff by Abe or not. It has been a while since the church was a direct threat to Horo so I guess you could say we're due . Besides have to figure out how the cities situation plays into the whole affair. It's not Spice and Wolf if Lawrence isn't in some kind of trouble. Would assume Lawrence and Horo would have to make some money from the situation while under some kind of pressure. Right now Abe seems to be a possible source of that pressure.
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2009-09-09, 01:19 | Link #97 | |
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Heck if we follow Buddhism we can say that neither of us are virgins, simply because we lived our previous lives as animal or something else and most likely mated and now all we do are rolling in this eternal samsara's cycle. But offspring do not exist simply because we are essentially different beings. Just like god-wolf is different from wolf, thus talking about offspring in previous life is pointless as you changed your level of existence completely. So in this sense you are a virgin in both mind state (no memories) and physical (no experience in this form) sense... And talks about offspring in previous life become senseless. |
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2009-09-09, 01:53 | Link #99 | |
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It was log ago? But wolf becoming a wolf-god happened also very, very long time ago. And the form differences between wolf and wolf-god is just as different (or similar, depends on your view) as ours with our australopithecus ancestors. So how about you talk about that ancient family? Wait you are saying that wolf and wolf-god is still the same being while you or me and our ancestors are not? But again I am arguing that they are not the same being since both their mind and body changed. Or are you saying that there is somethig else that defines being, apart mind and body? What, pray tell me? Spirit? But then we share the same spirit as our ancestors as well... |
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2009-09-09, 02:00 | Link #100 | |
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