2015-07-16, 10:03 | Link #461 |
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So you’re one those who despise GBF to the end, eh? A lot of Gundam fans actually had great fun with it especially with all the crossover-mecha fights and character cameos. Even some naysayers changed their tunes after they know how to just have fun with the series .
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2015-07-16, 10:38 | Link #463 |
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I don’t really see a clear step down tbh. Both shows have different approach, and some people cannot appreciate that difference just because it doesn’t match with their expectation. And AFAICR people were also whining and complaining almost non-stop about the “Build Knuckle” after the fight with Sengoku Astray in GBF. And when GBFT arrived with an MC that do martial arts and make the Gunpla fights closer to G Gundam, they throw a fit (as they want more tactical battles) and suddenly view the previous GBF as a masterpiece and claimed that GBFT's battles are nothing more than just lightshows. So no, I don't really see it as a step down. It's more like people don't want to accept the free-brawling style of GBFT. If anything, it proves that you can never please everyone.
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2015-07-16, 11:24 | Link #464 |
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Age was on the weaker end sure but I never got on the hate train and yea I'm slow on Build Fighters; that was just different though. G-R was just lolTomino and I'm not sure why to hate on it unless you've like never watched UC.
I mean I couldn't call any of these masterpieces, but I'd take any of these in a heartbeat over Aldnoah.Zero or whatever crap they're passing off as a mecha anime these days. It's Gundam after all.
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2015-07-16, 11:29 | Link #465 | |
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I'm not really disputing your main point about Okada, but I would think her problems go beyond simply trying to update existing franchises. I think she has problems period going outside of her comfort zone of dramatic teenagers unless it's a pretty straight forward adaption.
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2015-07-16, 11:43 | Link #466 |
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And indeed, I thought the first 1/2 or a bit more of Lupin was incredibly solid until she pulled out the melodrama wrench at the end to sabotage her own stuff. Though this is a recurring theme. Funny it happened at 9/13 which is also around the same point where True Tears and Anohana also got hit by this, and never really recovered.
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2015-07-16, 11:47 | Link #467 | |
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It’s sad though, coz G-Reco actually looks gorgeous with dynamic animation and rich visuals both in painted backdrop and computer-assisted effects. Combined them with the retro design and you got yourself a winner for your HDTV display. In fact, I’m having a blast re-watching the Blu-ray version of G-Reco on my LED TV with the subtitle turned off and just enjoy all the visuals and sounds (to hell with the dialogues & story).
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2015-07-16, 11:50 | Link #468 |
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Oh, you mean them rectens. I always laughed at that. Reminds me of how they renamed Uranus to Urectum in Futurama.
I dunno, to me, it was intentionally campy and I laughed when the first slap was tossed. I guess I'll be alone in this then. I wasn't really watching it for it to make any sense.
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2015-07-16, 12:55 | Link #469 | |
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My main problem was that the characters and their dynamics with each other don't feel very compelling compared to the first season. The one between Shia and Fumina felt very shoehorned in to me. The cast just didn't feel fleshed out outside of gunpla academy and try fighters. |
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2015-07-16, 15:03 | Link #471 |
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At first I thought Okada would be horrible, but then I thought about the sort of writing issues other Gundam shows had gotten:
1) Reconguista had happy Tomino, who seemed to have forgotten that he was writing a 2-cour show and not a 4-cour one, so we ended up with the heavy worldbuilding one would expect in the first half of a show and a messy rushed ending with none of the story and character development that should be in a second half. There's also the matter of the script having the worst dialogue ever. 2) Based on interviews with the director and staff, it seems AGE had a situation where the head writer had great ideas but failed to communicate, and the sub writers had to make stuff up to create a story on their own. Too bad, because Flit's story was brilliant. 3) We all know about Morisawa, and the anecdotal evidence of pettiness, vindictiveness, favoritism, conflict of interest, pandering, and probably the beginning stages of brain cancer that affected Destiny. Compared to those, Okada is a godsend. At the very least she has a grasp of pacing and how to write characters. As long as Sunrise prevents her from taking the story in a bad direction Orphans should at least be decent. (Of course, now that I've said that I imagine in a year we'll be cursing the show as the worst Gundam anime of all time.)
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Yea well, I suppose it may be possible to play to Okada's strengths. It would seem she is quite strong at leaving no Aiko stone unturned. In the good shows, it adds flavor and depth into the grand scheme of things by adding another layer to whatever setting or character almost in a methodical fashion. In the bad shows, it leads to bizarre dead ends that just waste anyone's time.
So, there might be some good worldbuilding given the proper premises and characaters. Now, filtering these things out is what makes the difference. But let's not shoot another Gundam series before it comes out of the gate, of course.
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But in all seriousness, the Gundam franchise has set a precedent for adding more AUs in which one doesn't have to be chained down by canon or fear of violating any previously established characterization or concept. That's why it's been able to put forth so many different products. It's not like many other long running franchises where people keep arguing over canon or how we would have to ignore certain "things" and then end up in a loop of making the same characters over and over again. Therefore it could be treated as running an entirely original series. The vast majority of Gundam series can be watched as standalone except for certain OVAs,movies, and obviously direct sequels. I view that as a strength that such a franchise could survive these things due to it not being a slave to canon, as opposed to say something like Star Trek.
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2015-07-24, 01:35 | Link #475 |
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Hey, you teed it up - I couldn't resist taking a swing.
If you don't think Gundam fans continually argue over canon, I'd have to respectfully disagree with you. But yes, generally speaking there is a little more wiggle room with Gundam than with some franchises.
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I never said that people never argue over canon. They certainly can if it's the same universe, as Reckoner noted UC is the big one. So you can definitely have arguments over say, what happened to the characterization in Char's Counterattack vs Zeta because we're dealing with the same characters here. You could try and find contradictions between Unicorn and the other UC series, and that's where it can be a problem since we've been exploring that universe for over 30 years. But a lot of people won't as they get dazzled by the highly animated fights, fast paced action, and Hiroyuki Sawano actually giving 2 fucks about the music. And come to think about out, I am off to finish that series before someone kills me for thinking about watching Okadadam and not watching Unicorn. That's like not watching True Tears and watching well, everything else Okada did with PA Works. In most other instances it's simply impossible, say 00 and AGE and Zeta, well, you can't compare those series at all in regards to consistency, beyond some general tendencies of the franchise. Ok, that didn't stop people from trying, but I digress. If Okada was allowed to write a UC story, then sure, we'd be in deep shit, but this isn't the case. And this is the same franchise that has a sombrero wearing Mexican Gundam. I think it'll live. What may be true is that I often see people imposing what they think is "Gundam" on every series but really isn't all inclusive as Reckoner might have alluded to with the UC rage. It'd be like with Type Moon-- comparing Prism Illya to Fate/stay... oh wait no, fuck that. (Now Type Moon stuff might be something Okada should really stay away from. Uh oh... too late?) And mind you, I'm more about praising the flexibility of this franchise more than anything that could be attributed to Okada. It's a tremendous opportunity to be allowed to write Gundam. I'm sure it'll have better characters than S... Oh, I better get running. So no, you're definitely not going to get say,Kamille Bidan, running around, disguised in a dress for covert operations. Whether or not anyone suspiciously similar shows up (Sup, Char wannabe #386), is another issue. As you can see, the comparative damage to say something to Lupin was a bit higher.
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Let's hope the writing & direction will keep on improving.
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