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Suzaku was given the whole truth so there's no denying it. Cornelia found out for herself but somehow blamed some cult who had little to do with it aside from providing said power base to the person who used it on Euphie. |
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2008-07-21, 09:47 | Link #4042 | |
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Suzaku was told something by V.V., which he accepted as the truth. He never questioned why or for what reason, he simply went wild. |
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2008-07-21, 09:58 | Link #4043 |
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Because he didn't really have a reason to doubt anything. When he confronted Lelouch at the end of season 1 he never told him geassing Euphie was an accident. The way I see it, he thinks Lelouch is responsible for everything and Geass is just the power with which he achieves his goals, he has no reason to blame it instead of Lelouch.
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Sure Lelouch *could* have wiped out the geass cult for "moral" reasons, but he didn't. He did it out of pure hatred after what happened to Shirley. I'd go so far as to say that he might have even loved Shirley (or grown to love her), and this was a really defining moment for him. Personally I respect him as a character much more if he did out of rage than out of moral responsibility, because it suits his character of a 'villain protagonist' much more. And Suzaku's father was not a good man. The manga and novels all depict him as an evil bastard. Suzaku killed him to end a war that was going to eradicate all of Japan, so he saved millions of lives in doing so. Also, he was only 10 years old when he did it, and he feels remorse for doing so every day. You'd have to be one cold hearted person to hold this particular issue against him. |
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2008-07-21, 10:02 | Link #4045 |
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Also, he didn't have a reason to doubt it at that time simply because it all made sense. After all, who had the power of geass at that time? Lelouch. Who benefitted most from Euphie's massacre? Lelouch. We, the viewer know that it was an accident, but to people in the CG world who don't have this knowledge would probably think he did it on purpose simply because it plays into his plans so nicely.
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2008-07-21, 10:07 | Link #4046 |
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Cornelia and Suzaku have completely different outlooks on Euphie's death.
Cornelia wants to clear her name and Suzaku wants to avenge her. That's why Cornelia has to find out about the power named Geass... Suzaku isn't interested in the power, he's interested in the man that abused it in his opinion. Euphie was geassed and Zero did it, that's all that's important to him. The only person who could tell him the truth about what happened is Lelouch and he never did on several occasions. The whole situation is as bad as it is because Lelouch and Suzaku are as stubborn as mules... If nobody tries to improve the situation it won't. And I'm not sure the whole refrain thing would be as pointless as it has been made out to be. Apparently it affects the will of the intoxicated person, so there might be a way to use it as a truth serum of sorts. Drugs always have other ways of being used than just shooting up... Not that it matters now... |
2008-07-21, 10:09 | Link #4047 | |
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If anything I would assume she wants to take care of both issues. |
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2008-07-21, 10:13 | Link #4048 | |
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2008-07-21, 10:19 | Link #4049 | |
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Lelouch believes he is doing it for the common good. But that doesn't mean that it is. Well put yourself in Suzaku's shoes, your best friend killed your love, enslaved (to a degree) your people. YOu would feel angry wouldn't you? Well Suzaku goes too much with his emotion, which is his tragic flaw. And also, we are mostly looking at things from Lulu's point of view not Suzaku's.
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2008-07-21, 10:59 | Link #4051 | |
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What truth has Conelia discovered? A hidden cult that is studying and experimenting with Geass. Did she find the answers she was looking for? I'm not sure. To the best of my knowledge, the Current Geass Cult had nothing to do with Euphemia's death or Lelouch recieving Geass. Yet, they felt the wrath of the Britannian Princess. Cornelia seems to blame Geass, the power, for what happened to Euphemia. She will clear her sister's name, whatever the cost. Yes, Cornelia is seeking the truth, but the truth she is trying to find is very diffenent than Suzaku's. Suzaku blames the man who took Eupemia's life, not the power he used. |
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2008-07-21, 11:39 | Link #4052 | ||
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About Cornelia and Suzaku,I'd say Cornelia is Lelouch sister after all,just like how LL himself decided to massacre the whole cult instead of just Rolo,Cornelia will reveal/destroy the cult first then take out Lelouch later,I can see that she doesn't show much love for him in the review. |
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2008-07-21, 11:49 | Link #4053 | |
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if he figured that part out 10 seconds earlier he could have avoided a)getting slapped b)trumatising kallen c)getting even more pissed off at lulu (he actually seems angrier afterwards.is he blaming lulu for that as well) he found out the truth about lulu within two minutes of asking around the school so that whole thing with kallen was pointless
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2008-07-21, 12:05 | Link #4055 | |
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2008-07-21, 12:09 | Link #4056 | |
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actually he has a really wrong view about who zero is and what he does i know he doesnt know all the facts that we the viewers do but still its worth noting that lulu has almost never used his geass to twist peoples will to his own couse he always uses it as a weapon (albeit a stratigic one) but he almost never uses it to make others follow him
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2008-07-21, 12:23 | Link #4057 |
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And yet, even without the Geass, and still with it, he used people like pawns in the first season.
And a wrong view? What, so he should support, in his eyes, the person that killed Clovis? That killed Euphemia? That made his life a living hell all due to a simple command to live? |
2008-07-21, 12:29 | Link #4058 | |
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Suzaku is not so wrong about LL,the only thing he had wrong is that he thinks Lelouch only cares about himself and no one else while in fact LL cares for about 6-8 people. |
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2008-07-21, 12:34 | Link #4059 |
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Even without the accident, Lelouch was willing to use Geass to make Euphy shoot him so he could drag her name through the mud and destroy everything she worked for. He used his Geass to basically make EVERYONE who was watching him at Ashford his slave for life. Using the Geass to make people "lose their will" and do things he needs hem to even when they never would on their own is ALL he does with it. He used in this fashion against every single soldier he made follow his oreders, he used it like this aganst Clovis, he used it like this against Cornelia, he used it like this on Euphie, and he even used it like this on KALLEN at the beginning of the series. All this is the same as what Suzaku didn't want to lower himself to doing. I don't know if you were trying to say something completely different from what you actually tried to claim here, but the only appropriate response to it is, "...lol wut?"
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2008-07-21, 12:38 | Link #4060 | |||
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His father is doing the exact same thing by destroying the lies plaguing the world by whatever means but in this case he's not lying or hiding behind anything (which is what he critized Lelouch on). |
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