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Destined_Fate · 2013-05-11, 11:43

As far as the Anime is concerned we never were shown someone that they could just transfer over to the team and they honestly didn't need one as the Destiny, Legend, and Impulse was greater than a regular army of grunts by far. Just like Kira in SEED didn't need a ton of help as he was one man arming nearly everything with the Freedom.

It's too expensive and none that could have been on the team were ever shown in the anime.

I disagree. They had trouble enough switching between Shinn, Athrun, and Kira alongside with the characters supporting each for character development.

monster · 2013-05-11, 13:00

People, as far as the anime is concerned, a non-speaking extra character is fine as additional pilot(s) for the Minerva.

The Minerva launched with additional pilots anyway, the anime didn't have to kill them off, but it could just use them to even things out in the battlefield.

Gundamx · 2013-05-11, 14:00

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Originally Posted by monster

People, as far as the anime is concerned, a non-speaking extra character is fine as additional pilot(s) for the Minerva.

The Minerva launched with additional pilots anyway, the anime didn't have to kill them off, but it could just use them to even things out in the battlefield.

same as most of murasame pilot in AA

Skye629 · 2013-05-11, 14:17

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same as most of murasame pilot in AA

^^^This^^^

Heck they could have thrown in a trio of girl zaku pilots for fanservice and got away with it without harming any character development (while adding in some humorous scenes)

monster · 2013-05-11, 15:17

Another thing that could've helped is if Rey and Lunamaria had the use of a couple of Guuls.

Aquaman OS · 2013-05-11, 15:25

Even what out? Shinn pretty much was unstoppable for the whole series up until the battle of Orb.

And much of mid plot relied around Shinn being the only active pilot. Ie: Shinn has to be doing much of the work, so he gets full of himself and isn't willing to listen to Athrun. Shinn has to be the only pilot at Berlin so that when he won't kill Stella the only person to do it is Kira, someone he can blame and hate for it (it if was Zaft killing her he'd have to suck it up and let it go) Shinn has to be the one to take out Kira so he gets even more full of himself and Athrun decides he's done with Zaft.

A trio of Zaku pilots would barely do anything in the first half (since ocean battles, which mean they'd be stock on the Minerva like Rey and Luna) and in the later part, they'd not be able to do anything but be fodder for team AA. And they barely had enough time to focus on Shinn at this point, let alone some extras.

monster · 2013-05-11, 15:38

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Even what out? Shinn pretty much was unstoppable for the whole series up until the battle of Orb.

Sure, but he can be unstoppable with help as well.

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And much of mid plot relied around Shinn being the only active pilot.

Not really.

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Ie: Shinn has to be doing much of the work, so he gets full of himself and isn't willing to listen to Athrun.

He could do the most important work and still be full of himself.

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Shinn has to be the only pilot at Berlin so that when he won't kill Stella the only person to do it is Kira, someone he can blame and hate for it (it if was Zaft killing her he'd have to suck it up and let it go)

Shinn could take on the Destroy while others take on the Windams.

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Shinn has to be the one to take out Kira so he gets even more full of himself and Athrun decides he's done with Zaft.

He can still do that while others help with attacking the Archangel.

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A trio of Zaku pilots would barely do anything in the first half (since ocean battles, which mean they'd be stock on the Minerva like Rey and Luna)

That's why I mentioned the Guuls.

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and in the later part, they'd not be able to do anything but be fodder for team AA. And they barely had enough time to focus on Shinn at this point, let alone some extras.

They don't have to focus on the extras. That's why they're called extras.

Aquaman OS · 2013-05-11, 16:02

But then what would be the point of having them if they are just extras? In a show with too many characters already?

Destined_Fate · 2013-05-11, 16:05

We all saw how fast those unimportant people lasted in the Anime when assigned to the Minerva.

Giving them more meatshields doesn't really help and if they need a big battle they'll bring more ZAFT ships full of grunts to explode.

S.Freedom · 2013-05-11, 16:59

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But then what would be the point of having them if they are just extras?

To provide the Minerva the ability to achieve it's missions more effectively. Just imagine how much more effective the Minerva would have been if it had mauve shirts like the Dom trio supporting Shin, Rey, and Luna. I mean the dom trio didn't get much if any character development after all.

@monster The Minerva had at least one Guul that Rey used when he and Shinn found Londonia. Why it was never used again is any ones guess.

monster · 2013-05-11, 17:27

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But then what would be the point of having them if they are just extras? In a show with too many characters already?

Extras are background characters whose job is to help with the setting. There can be as many extras as are needed for the setting. In the Minerva's case, 3-4 additional pilots should suffice, and they serve their purpose just by being there fighting alongside the Minerva. Thus, your complaint of having too many characters is not applicable to an extra as the main plot will still revolve around the same number of core characters.

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We all saw how fast those unimportant people lasted in the Anime when assigned to the Minerva.

Giving them more meatshields doesn't really help and if they need a big battle they'll bring more ZAFT ships full of grunts to explode.

This doesn't have to be the case, though.

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The Minerva had at least one Guul that Rey used when he and Shinn found Londonia. Why it was never used again is any ones guess.

Indeed.

Aquaman OS · 2013-05-11, 17:58

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To provide the Minerva the ability to achieve it's missions more effectively. Just imagine how much more effective the Minerva would have been if it had mauve shirts like the Dom trio supporting Shin, Rey, and Luna. I mean the dom trio didn't get much if any character development after all.

What effectiveness? Minerva stomped over everything in it's path from episode 1-40 with the possible exception of 23, thanks to Shinn. He was totally unbeatable. They didn't need any additional help. Minerva only started losing in the last 10 episodes because they were no longer the heroes of the setting and by then any additional pilots would have been quick prey to Kira and Athrun.

Gundamx · 2013-05-11, 18:29

murasame Ace pilots in AA
>They survive orb battle > defeated gundam pilot > survive another orb battle > survive last battle...etc

> They are Ace pilot that we know nothing of = extra pilots

> AA have extra pilots so why couldn't minerva have them?
(murasame pilots didn't steal all Kira and AA crew screen time did they?)

Aquaman OS · 2013-05-11, 18:33

They also only actually fought twice in the entire series. More often than not, AA went without them. And their only action of note was to take out Chaos.

monster · 2013-05-11, 18:42

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They also only actually fought twice in the entire series. More often than not, AA went without them. And their only action of note was to take out Chaos.

The Archangel only fought 4 battles after it gained the Murasame pilots, and one of those battles was specifically a retreat where only the Freedom went out.

Gundamx · 2013-05-11, 18:45

my point is they can use ace pilots who is helpful and don't take MCs screen time yet they didn't.

Aquaman OS · 2013-05-11, 19:08

Fact of the matter is the staff didn't want any other pilots on Minerva. That was how they wanted the show to be, and that's how it was. They wanted the battles to be mostly done by Shinn.

monster · 2013-05-11, 19:22

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Fact of the matter is the staff didn't want any other pilots on Minerva. That was how they wanted the show to be, and that's how it was. They wanted the battles to be mostly done by Shinn.

I think that's obvious.

The American Average · 2013-05-11, 20:43

Ace Pilots? You mean those characters that say they are best around and get killed 30 minutes later or the ones that literally do nothing, don't even talk

monster · 2013-05-11, 21:17

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Ace Pilots? You mean those characters that say they are best around and get killed 30 minutes later or the ones that literally do nothing, don't even talk

Even aces can die, and doing nothing onscreen is not the same as doing nothing ever.

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The American Average 2LMES Join Date: May 2012 Location: a comet that goes zooom!!!	Ace Pilots? You mean those characters that say they are best around and get killed 30 minutes later or the ones that literally do nothing, don't even talk __________________

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Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	As far as the Anime is concerned we never were shown someone that they could just transfer over to the team and they honestly didn't need one as the Destiny, Legend, and Impulse was greater than a regular army of grunts by far. Just like Kira in SEED didn't need a ton of help as he was one man arming nearly everything with the Freedom. It's too expensive and none that could have been on the team were ever shown in the anime. I disagree. They had trouble enough switching between Shinn, Athrun, and Kira alongside with the characters supporting each for character development.

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monster Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	People, as far as the anime is concerned, a non-speaking extra character is fine as additional pilot(s) for the Minerva. The Minerva launched with additional pilots anyway, the anime didn't have to kill them off, but it could just use them to even things out in the battlefield.

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monster Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Another thing that could've helped is if Rey and Lunamaria had the use of a couple of Guuls.

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Aquaman OS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	Even what out? Shinn pretty much was unstoppable for the whole series up until the battle of Orb. And much of mid plot relied around Shinn being the only active pilot. Ie: Shinn has to be doing much of the work, so he gets full of himself and isn't willing to listen to Athrun. Shinn has to be the only pilot at Berlin so that when he won't kill Stella the only person to do it is Kira, someone he can blame and hate for it (it if was Zaft killing her he'd have to suck it up and let it go) Shinn has to be the one to take out Kira so he gets even more full of himself and Athrun decides he's done with Zaft. A trio of Zaku pilots would barely do anything in the first half (since ocean battles, which mean they'd be stock on the Minerva like Rey and Luna) and in the later part, they'd not be able to do anything but be fodder for team AA. And they barely had enough time to focus on Shinn at this point, let alone some extras.

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Aquaman OS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	But then what would be the point of having them if they are just extras? In a show with too many characters already?

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Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	We all saw how fast those unimportant people lasted in the Anime when assigned to the Minerva. Giving them more meatshields doesn't really help and if they need a big battle they'll bring more ZAFT ships full of grunts to explode.

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Gundamx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	murasame Ace pilots in AA >They survive orb battle > defeated gundam pilot > survive another orb battle > survive last battle...etc > They are Ace pilot that we know nothing of = extra pilots > AA have extra pilots so why couldn't minerva have them? (murasame pilots didn't steal all Kira and AA crew screen time did they?)

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Aquaman OS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	They also only actually fought twice in the entire series. More often than not, AA went without them. And their only action of note was to take out Chaos.

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Gundamx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	my point is they can use ace pilots who is helpful and don't take MCs screen time yet they didn't.

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Aquaman OS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	Fact of the matter is the staff didn't want any other pilots on Minerva. That was how they wanted the show to be, and that's how it was. They wanted the battles to be mostly done by Shinn.