2009-09-06, 01:40 | Link #1661 | |
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There is more than one possibility and there would be a difference between actual and, say, attempted rape. I'm certainly not trying to deny anything at this point. It is just a matter of asking for a little patience. Is that bad? What's more, even though the anime has been quite faithful to the game, it has also introduced a few differences. |
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2009-09-06, 04:22 | Link #1663 |
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Careful interpreting the preview, guys. Cal hasn't been physically violent towards Mio in episode 23 (though she did take some pleasure in scaring the hell out of her), and the preview scenes had a reason. Reps for the non-VN-player who can piece together what it might be - and as a minor hint: Throughout the game _and_ the anime, Mio is the most perceptive and empathetic character by far.
If I had to give the episodes names from now on, it would be: Episode 24: Mio Episode 25: Phantoms Episode 26: Inferno |
2009-09-06, 08:01 | Link #1667 |
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Well, there were no indications like from the VN( I haven't played but I've know some things about it). For me it was more like a bro-sis relationship.
Also I've looked through VN CGS... Meh, everyone's so ugly there. Its great that in anime everyone's much much better, especially Elen. And Mio is my choice for Reiji. Hope SM dolls can kick some ass. |
2009-09-06, 08:02 | Link #1668 | |
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I hope Cal doesn't go crazy and start "raping" mio "just because" she wants to show her the 'pain she has gone through'. Idk, i hope it's a good reason that Cal starts doing what she's doing, or else i might start losin some respect. But i still love her! So hopefully we can bring her back and knock some sense into her! - Anyway, on a more serious note...I hope those 6 (?) girls from the intro with the masks and all "act" as the catalyst to bring Cal back to Reiji. Though...I just get this terrrrrrible feeling like Ein might die with the whole preview speech she had..."as long as you live, it'll be proof that i lived" (No ein! We haven't shown you your past yet! Don't die!) -Also, @ dragon who said the scene with Cal and Lizzie showdown was useless. No, it had to be "that long". Any shorter and Lizzie's sacrifice would seem even more "less trivial" if that makes sense. She's a great character, and it's a shame to see her go...also quite heartless for Cal to do what she has done. But even if lizzie was nice to cal when she was first brought in, I'm sure Cal would have both consciously and subconsciously blocked out any "emotional" feelings/attachment to anyone after what she "felt" with Reiji. It's a shame, yes, but the scene, though "long" and what might "seem" boring, definitely holds a lot of meaning. IT was a good episode, and props again to Cal's Seiyuu, she is fantastic as always, especially the laugh after the motorcycle @ truck scene. I liked how it was just the sound of the motorcycle "screeching" to come back up...good moment. -> And this is a small rant, but does anyone get the feel that there are some major inconsistencies with how Cal's face is drawn? It always feels different. I like her eyes from the intro much better-elevator- (and hopefully those are the eyes we GET/SEE after she "comes back" from the little hell hole she has dug herself and back into Reiji's arms (:P). Afterall, those eyes are quite beautiful, and it would not serve her justice if they don't put it in at all at some point :X) |
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2009-09-06, 08:10 | Link #1669 | |
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"Cal... I don't want to leave you. I want to stay by your side forever. I want to help you. I just... want to be with you. I get it now. I really do want to go back. By doing that, I can stay with you." That's pretty much, wouldn't you think? |
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2009-09-06, 08:18 | Link #1670 | |
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This is why there are things called proposals and rings and clarifications which wasn't done back then. As in it isn't official until the ring is placed on her finger. Even then forever isn't forever. GF and BF never vow to stay with each other forever. This is somethng that "family" do. It's a more stronger bond and promise imo. Thinking that a BF will pledge to stay with you forever is a fantasy little girls have from fairytales that they were raised on. It's a sign of immaturity imo and usually disappears when one starts to date. And so, this goes with Cal's immature state of being way back then. She was dressing worse than a 10 yo (A compliment since my 6 yo niece was dressed better than her) and acting like one (Again another complement since my niece was also more mature than her.). It's painfuly clear that Cal wasn't socializing with her peers or she wouldn't be in this mess in the first place imo. Her "world" would have expanded and she would know what was "not" really happening imo. She would have less fears of abandonment as she would have gone thru the cycle of birth and death of friendship and partnership. Unfortunately, her "world" contracted again this time by her own hands. The chick has a screw loose imo. We'll never know what Reiji was thinking until he spits it out imo. It's still "He said. She said." imo. *watching Umineko broadens your analysis skills*
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2009-09-06, 08:30 | Link #1672 | ||
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2009-09-06, 08:32 | Link #1673 | ||
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Although its clear, Cal (Drei) is a shadow of what she was (on the outside.) Parts of Cal's true inner feelings influence the dialoge that drei speaks, and her reactions. Just like when Cal was speaking to Ellen, "how about I kill you in front of reiji, I wonder what face he will make' Or when Cal says 'Dont make me laugh Zwei, are you that type of person' As evil as can read, deep down part of Cal loves mentioning reiji when she talks as if she knows him best. Quote:
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2009-09-06, 08:37 | Link #1674 | |
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What Reiji and Cal did back then does constitute something in the world of grown-ups. It did constitute a promise to care for each other. And pretending that it doesn't mean crap like you do is not a sign of immaturity on Cal's part, but rather a sign of irresponsibility und untrustworthiness on yours. Besides, it's a moot point, since obviously Reiji does feel bound by his former promise. |
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2009-09-06, 08:53 | Link #1675 | |
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That is more of a family promise. Again, not something that I place value on if you're not genetically connected. Sorry, it's the way I was raised. Yes, I've been around. Couples do not pledge to be together forever nowadays. That pledge only exists in marriage and even then it isn't forever. This thinking that a BF or GF is going to be around forever is what gets people into problems dealing with a breakup imo. No what Reiji and Cal did does not constitute much in the world of grownups as people who live together and enjoy a sexual relationship also do not promise to be together forever. It's a "let's see if we can live together as a couple first before gettng married so that we don't end up getting divorced later on" scenario for some. Marriage is the real promise. Or from some guys' perspective "Why buy the cow when you're getting the milk for free?"
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2009-09-06, 09:03 | Link #1676 |
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^Orion....again you're not thinking from REIJI's perspective. Really...what YOU want to do, what YOU think guys want to do, DOESN"T fit with what REIJI wants to do, and so REIJI's words are DIFFERENT from what you WANT to believe about him.
I'm sorry, i really can't side with you on this one. It just doesn't fit his character. |
2009-09-06, 09:03 | Link #1677 |
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As it became a tradition, for God knows which reason Orion believes that ALL characters in Phantom share morals and opinions with Orion.
Just because YOU hold that opinion does not mean that THEY think the same way. That promise may mean nothing to YOU, but that does not mean that it means nothing to CHARACTERS.
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2009-09-06, 09:07 | Link #1678 |
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What's ley here is that the promise they made was and still is important to Cal. When you're 14 and someone you love promises to stay with you forever, after you lost everyone you know and care about, it will matter. The promise was a means to a future for Cal and a means to the past for Reiji except after Reiji thought Cal died Elen helped bring him to his past the kicker is that Cal had no one else and that's why we find her the way she is now.
Talk of marriage and boyfriend/girlfriend relationships are not relevant.
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2009-09-06, 09:07 | Link #1679 | ||
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It's just an interpretation from the side lines which is what people normally do. If you don't like the viewpoints, not sorry one bit. Besides, you can't expect the game characters to have the exact same motivations back then as now or it will just be dated and the viewers won't connect as the world has changed since then. A viewpoint from circa 2000 will be different from 2009 as reality is a bit harsher now. Quote:
A 14yo with good social skills does not act like Cal. That thinking is for someone under 10 yo imo.
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2009-09-06, 09:08 | Link #1680 | |
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Let's leave it at that. |
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