Attack on Titan The Finale Season (Episode 60 onwards) - Anime Episode Discussion

[deadite]

Kind of chilling that there a group of fans who see Floch and his goons as people to be emulated.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

There were quite a few other hints. Zeke claiming Eren wasn't his enemy and then calling out to Levi saying he was running out of time, which had Levi check his watch. Zeke crushing the rocks as much as he did is another hint as he realized during the fight back on Paradis that it makes the rocks less likely to kill anyone.

Those were last minute hints. There were other early ones, like the reveal Zeke has kept the fact he has royal blood a secret from Marley, meaning he has never trusted them.

[deadite]

Fandom is now advocating child murder and abuse. This is exactly what Isayama is preaching against. His message seems to be going over people's heads.

[thundrakkon]

If I am going to guess a hypothetical our world equivalent, I would guess that the Marleyans are a Nazi Germany country that occupied a Palestinian territory, who the Eldians represent.

In that regards, the little girl with murderous intent would be similar to a radicalized child, who was would persuaded into wearing a suicide vest. In that regards, it becomes morally grey.

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

If I am going to guess a hypothetical our world equivalent, I would guess that the Marleyans are a Nazi Germany country that occupied a Palestinian territory, who the Eldians represent.

In that regards, the little girl with murderous intent would be similar to a radicalized child, who was would persuaded into wearing a suicide vest. In that regards, it becomes morally grey.

Or Uigurs in China. Chinese are criticized even when trying to help them.

[Friday]

Originally Posted by EroKing

Farewell and R.I.P. Sasha

in remembrances of the "Potato Incident"

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

You can care about your own children, even be willing to die for them, and not give a good goddamn about anybody else.

Well my point is he cares so little about anyone else, that he doesn't really care about Marley either.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I have no doubt they'd be willing to throw Marley under the bus, too, to save themselves.

Well, we agree on something then! But then why are you so damn sure that he cares so much about Marley getting the founding titan power that he goes to the point to sacrifice his own life only for that purpose?

He made everyone in the world like him, even if Marley were to fall, his family would probably still hold a prominent position.

Originally Posted by deadite

Kind of chilling that there a group of fans who see Floch and his goons as people to be emulated.

Originally Posted by deadite

Fandom is now advocating child murder and abuse. This is exactly what Isayama is preaching against. His message seems to be going over people's heads.

Yeeep. Well there's people that unironically think that "the Empire did nothing wrong" so it's not surprising that there are people like that here too, but it sure seems there's a lot around here. At any rate it's definitely not Isayama's intention to portray Eren in a positive light in this particular contingency and Floch is definitely meant to represent the kind of person that causes the tragedy of war to keep repeating.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Well my point is he cares so little about anyone else, that he doesn't really care about Marley either.

Marley is where his stuff is.

Well, we agree on something then! But then why are you so damn sure that he cares so much about Marley getting the founding titan power that he goes to the point to sacrifice his own life only for that purpose?

He made everyone in the world like him, even if Marley were to fall, his family would probably still hold a prominent position.

Would they? Or would the world remember that he and his family are, in fact, part of the ruling class of the Marleyan Empire, and of the Eldian Empire before that?

He has, through some epic diplomatic sleight of hand, redirected all the hate that should rightfully come his and Marley's way to Paradis and Eren. But if he hadn't done that, if he hadn't bought a common enemy with his death, then what could he have done except sink with Marley's ship?

[Yuuu]

I know there are 16 episodes listed, but there's a split it seems in the fanbase on whether or not there will be a movie(s) to finish the series out or there will be a second cour. Personally, I'm almost convinced there will be a second cour.

NO SPOILERS HERE, but I slowed down the trailer like crazy and we're getting up to at least chapter 122, probably some point in chapter 123, though the latter is just my speculation. That would be consistent considering the pacing this season, which has actually been excellent.

So first 16 will be animated up chapter 122, but will we have a movie series to end it, which I personally will be upset about, or will we finish out the rest of the series with roughly 10 or so episodes in a second cour? I'm really hoping the latter. MAPPA, IMO, has been doing a great job. I really want them to see this through.

[Kanon]

A movie would be far more profitable, but cramming almost 20 chapters into it would be very hard. So I think it's either split cour or multiple movies.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Marley is where his stuff is.

It's not like when a country loses a war, suddenly the country stops existing. His stuff would stay where it is, at worst the land where it is would change name.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Would they? Or would the world remember that he and his family are, in fact, part of the ruling class of the Marleyan Empire, and of the Eldian Empire before that?

They can't "remember" that, because they don't know.

[Yuuu]

Originally Posted by Kanon

A movie would be far more profitable, but cramming almost 20 chapters into it would be very hard. So I think it's either split cour or multiple movies.

Yep that's what I've been afraid of; the production comittee will see the potential profits and go for a movie series. Which for us in the US would suck, unless they'd do it on demand on crunchyroll/funimation or something, which I'd gladly pay for.

Normally it would probably premiere at AX and I would be able to get in because I'm press; if there is a movie, hopefully it comes out in 2022 and AX is back up and running by then. If there is a film series that is.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

It's not like when a country loses a war, suddenly the country stops existing. His stuff would stay where it is, at worst the land where it is would change name.

But what about his place in it? Would he even be able to keep his life if the rest of the world were to decide that every Eldian, without exception, has to die?

They can't "remember" that, because they don't know.

What are you talking about? Of course they do. That the Tyburs were nobles of the Eldian Empire is a part of history that hasn't been doctored, and as for the Marleyan Empire - they may not know he's ruling it from the shadows, but he couldn't have organized his last little soiree if they thought him just a rando.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

But what about his place in it? Would he even be able to keep his life if the rest of the world were to decide that every Eldian, without exception, has to die?

Doesn't that risk exist on Marley as well? Look, it seems to me he managed to manipulate the rest of the world just as well if not even better than Marley.
And anyway, if he really was worried about that, then the most logical thing to do would be to side with Eren.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

What are you talking about? Of course they do. That the Tyburs were nobles of the Eldian Empire is a part of history that hasn't been doctored, and as for the Marleyan Empire - they may not know he's ruling it from the shadows, but he couldn't have organized his last little soiree if they thought him just a rando.

Nobles? Is aristrocracy even a thing in Marley? As far as I understand the Tybur are simply an important and wealthy family, where did you get the idea that they are officially involved in the government of Marley?

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Nobles? Is aristrocracy even a thing in Marley? As far as I understand the Tybur are simply an important and wealthy family, where did you get the idea that they are officially involved in the government of Marley?

I first called him part of the "ruling class". The particulars don't actually matter.

[Guido]

Originally Posted by EroKing

Farewell and R.I.P. Sasha

Manga readers who are hostile towards Gabi's character are becoming even more hateful of her after watching the anime adaptation, as well as anime-only watchers will grow fond at hating that tatakae girl.

Sasha's loss, indeed, will be sending shockwaves for days to come at both the Survey Corps. members who got along with her and as well to the real-life fans who came to love her in the previous 3 seasons.

Sasha was like the heart and soul of the group reminding us of a brightly lit future in store for the cast after defeating the Titans and retaking the land in order to grow vegetables, prepare meals, and cooking meat.

What was disturbing was everyone (both the characters and the viewers) witnessing Eren's reaction at how to make of Sasha's death.

Spoiler:

In the manga, the panel clearly shows that he's at loss recalling way back to their days as trainee cadets how much Sasha dreamt at harvesting the lands once defeating the Titans.

Eren's body language in the manga reflects how much he freaked out on the inside without ever screaming or venting his emotions outwardly.

In the anime, he reacts the same but, in addition, we all witnessed that he slightly chuckled, probably out of stress and anxiety after learning Sasha's demise from Connie.
MAPPA did a smart move at showing the bottom half of Eren's face while he was chuckling, but keeping his eyes obscured so as not to let the audience lose sympathy for him. Nevertheless, some of the characters might or not take too kindly to his reaction at long term...

[Kanon]

Just so people know, Mikasa's bandage was always there in the manga and the tattoo was mentioned when her backstory was covered (in the first or second volume), Wit omitted all that because... I don't know.

[Blaat]

I admit I didn't care much about Connie and Sasha interaction on the train when I read the manga but the anime adaptation turned it into comedy gold.

Eh?

[Psyco Diver]

I felt like the time skips could have been handled better this episode, just felt jumpy without reason. Maybe it's just me

[Sheba]

May the Force be with Ayane Sakura.