2010-08-12, 11:46 | Link #8582 |
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
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That's the devil's choice here.... the *purpose* of the press is to keep the government honest. But in this case, we've got an idiot at the "press" wheel who is too lazy to do the "journalist" work.
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2010-08-12, 12:41 | Link #8583 |
Asuki-tan Kairin ↓
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Fürth (GER)
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It is always the messenger that gets shot
It doesn't matter if the names were leaked or not. The whole war business is dirty, and every informant that wants to earn money in such a war has to live with the risk to be uncovered... moreso if he works for an incompetent "employer". (I am not saying that other countrie's intelligence services are much better)
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2010-08-12, 13:14 | Link #8584 | |
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What the documents do show is that the US has been fighting the same crappy fights in Iraq and Afghanistan for at least half a decade with no real improvement. Both nations are unstable, corrupt, and full of opportunists that have found great use in having the US be at war for a decade in two politically charged areas of the world. In short, it's a losing battle and the Wikileaks have demonstrated that no tactics have really changed things for the better. Meanwhile lots of lives are being lost, lots of money is being spent (much of going to the wrong people), and the US honestly has nothing to show for it. The US can't sustain the wars with the economic damages at home, and the public is tired of money going down the drain and their sons and daughters coming home in body bags with no real results. Is the nation really any safer since the implementation of the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, wiretapping, controversial war prisoner facilities embroiled in highly questionable ethics practices, or these wars? No. Condemn the practices of Wikileaks, but you can't ignore the truth. The wars were and are a waste of time and money for all but those who gained or stand to gain profit and power from it. Consider this when pondering the rhetoric the US leaders have been giving North Korea and Iran. US foreign policy needs to change, drastically and for the better, or it will be the nations undoing. Every day, month, year, that these wars continue is a reminder that Eisenhower was so sadly right.
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2010-08-12, 13:19 | Link #8585 | ||
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Location: R'lyeh
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if anyone was actually surprise, they haven't been paying attention to the last 8 years.
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2010-08-12, 13:45 | Link #8586 | |
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It's a risk taken regardless of the leaks. And until there's proof the leaks did cause a death, it's speculation of what could happen and not evidence that it will happen.
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People keep expecting the smoking gun in these leaks (since the size is comparable to the Pentagon Papers that did have a smoking gun) but that wasn't the point of releasing them. Instead they're more concerned that the leaks might kill informants despite ignoring the irony that these people are involved in brutal wars that shouldn't even be occurring, and despite the attempts of the government to assure the public that things are getting better....they aren't. They're no better now than they were five or six years ago, and yet for some stupid reason the government wants to keep the wars going, throwing precious lives and money into a pit that won't make the efforts worth it (except for the few who've managed to gain quite nicely from it). They'll happily vote for more money spent on the military but balk at the 15 million (and growing) people unemployed in the US who rely on benefits just to barely make it to the next pay date to avoid being homeless or having their kids go without food. There's something very wrong with that picture.
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2010-08-12, 14:24 | Link #8587 | |
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Seriously, they took every step they could have. I can understand it if you think they shouldn't have released them at all. I disagree, but i understand that stance. But let's stick with the facts about what they did do. And like I mentioned before, I would prefer it if Wikileaks weren't necessary; that the US would release this information on it's own (with appropriate redactions to protect innocents on the ground) or that tradtional media would do it's job as the 4th branch and report on this stuff in a wide fashion. Barring those perfect solutions, this is the next best thing. It's like voting for the lesser of two evils in a presidential election, heh. |
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2010-08-12, 15:35 | Link #8590 |
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Just as a followup to what I posted earlier, and to show the diligence that's going on:
WikiLeaks preparing to release 15,000 remaining Afghan intelligence files Spoiler for Article:
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2010-08-12, 22:00 | Link #8592 | |
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Hopefully that wannabe whistle-blower loser learnt a thing or 2 from his last few leaks. This guy is getting a lot of PR and money for his recent shitty leaks in regards to Iraq and Afghanistan. Good for him I suppose. Now whats next for him?...fade into anonymity? I hope. But he'll probably spend all his money like the loser he is and try and coax another American into committing treason. One thing everyone is right about....if we continue to be engaged in the middle east, this parasite will always find a reason to get back in the news. This topic should also have gone away..months ago when he released his Iraq propaganda tape. *EDIT* edit here because i got to this a while later and don't want to add more posts about this sorry loser: Response to Jinto below: uh uh....The Iraq Collateral murder wasn't a propaganda tape..right..Run along now.. Response to Kaijo...I don't know. I defer my answer to "the one" and his minions who run this country and who have commented on it extensively. Last edited by Hage-bai; 2010-08-19 at 21:11. |
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2010-08-13, 02:09 | Link #8593 | |
Asuki-tan Kairin ↓
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To separate the facts from propaganda is very hard for everyone here, so don't act like you know it all. At least to me, the mere publication of documents seems to be less biased than any news report... you can read the material and come to your own conclusions - no predefined POV by someone else.
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2010-08-13, 03:11 | Link #8594 | |
NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~
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Propaganda is considered lying, presentation of untrue facts. Half-truths are more common than that these days considering that the internet has made possible for bit and pieces of information to float around the web, since it only requires quoting parts of the entire report to make it seem credible. However, either way still makes it biased. To the end, it still boils down to the "can't be bothered" attitude of most Earthlings. A small proportion of these are lazy, while the rest are just plain stupid.
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2010-08-13, 12:31 | Link #8596 |
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US Muslims prep for Islamic holiday — around 9/11
Well ain't that awkward. I hope there won't be any misunderstanding if Eid does fall on 9/11 and politicians on both sides are ready to defend their Muslims citizens should some idiot think it's a celebration of terror when it's not.
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2010-08-13, 21:38 | Link #8600 | |
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Here is a good one....
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/wo...y.html?_r=1&hp I hope Germany completes the whole turn around...! Quote:
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