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Additionally, it is pretty easy to know whether Hayate has merged with R-Zwei. Her hair colour will change from brown to white (reference from the A's to StrikerS manga). This was already shown in the A's series. When Hayate was fused with Reinforce I, she was white-haired. When she transformed during the timeskip though, she was brown-haired (she only summoned R-Zwei, not fused with her). During that clash, everybody but the trio was already more or less knocked out (see the preceding pages). The trio were already the final ones standing, and as Fate and Nanoha were readying their combination attack, Hayate countered with her own spell (whilst still brown-haired! So no R-Zwei was involved here). In conclusion, Hayate can at least match Fate & Nanoha combined in terms of power. How she fares though... with R-Zwei fusion, is still left to speculation. Cheers.
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Wait, people notice it when I seem to be doing well in an argument for once but not when I'm being massacred by people with facts? I made sure that it still gave people a chance to be wrong, it just doesn't seem to happen too often these days.
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2007-04-06, 11:59 | Link #205 | |
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I do agree that we can't judge on who would win (yet). Then again, I didn't have any intention other than to see some interesting ideas from other people. (And for giggles) So you might be taking it too seriously... Also, to no one in particular, remember that it is a 'team' battle, that means just because Nanoha, Fate and Hayate carry the biggest guns, doesn't mean the rest of them are useless...
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Oh believe me when I say this. Compared to some other members, you are a relaxed Jamaican. Cheers.
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8-man team battle royal! What could possibly go wrong?
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We'd need probably need several duels between Nanoha and ANYONE to get a true idea of who is stronger. Predictions would be that in a series of three (not best of), Nanoha loses by one. In a series of four, a tie. In a series of five, it's anyone's game.
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Natch.
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Thats what the official mage ranking is for, to give an idea about the power level of the characters. Of course, there are several factors other than skill and magic potential, but those rankings are a general total. EDIT: Quote:
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As the TSAB currently consists almost exclusively of mages using magic based off of Mid-type magic, the test would not take into account that Hayate uses a different form of magic. This makes the test much less reliable, and cannot be used properly for the purposes of this comparison. Taking into account that those who use ancient Velka-type magic actually gain an exception against something, those tests are currently useless when it comes to comparing Hayate and Nanoha. |
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That test model for A's for Fate is for a AAA rank mage, and as we could tell from the 1st episode of StrikerS, different ranks have different test. I don't usually like to use this card, but the information of the ranks were given to us from the writers, which probably means that THIS is what they decide the power level of the character should be. Yes, I see your point, but as lazy and easy as it sounds, just take their word for it.
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The rank was given 10 years after Hayate joined the TSAB. During that time, in least the first 6 years, they have met Acous and Carim, who both also use the same type of magic. From there, time jumps ahead for 4 years. Within that 4 years I can assume that TSAB would have worked with the three users on multiple occasions. All in all, don't you think that 10 years would have given them more than enough time to research about Velka magic? So much so that it's possible for them to come up with suitable tests for Velka type users, new AND old? Edit: Brb after 6+ hours...Need to sleep...
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As far as the TSAB seems to be concerned, ancient Velka is pretty much dead. Tests administered by massive administrations are not tailored to the individual, they are standardized. EDIT: The story section is open. Does it say anything new? Last edited by Woden; 2007-04-06 at 14:17. |
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They can spare four of their best officers to oversee two students taking the B-rank test. They are anything but an impersonal monolithic bureaucracy.
Personally I'm inclined to take the rankings at face value, and believe that in a nice open arena that favored no-one's style Hayate would defeat any other known (well, ranked) character. Of course, circumstance changes everything... a sniper duel with Nanoha or a cage match with Signum would be tough no matter how high your rank I imagine.
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All of whom have vested interests. Having four officers watch a fairly short test is not nearly as much of a hindrance as modifying a testing system for three people. They have modern Velka magic, why should they adapt their systems for the pretty much extinct ancient type?
I'm just getting tired of Hayate being labeled the Deus Ex Machina after one episode. There are so many possible reasons that things could be the way they are, I feel we are getting WAAAY ahead of ourselves. Hayate is not the original Reinforce yet. Let's not start acting like she is. Could Hayate beat Nanoha in a fight? Probably. Could Nanoha beat Hayate in a fight? Probably. After watching some of the fights I've seen in Nanoha, I'm inclined to believe that ranking means very little over all. Last edited by Woden; 2007-04-06 at 16:59. |
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