2013-02-26, 12:46 | Link #7561 |
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Sansker, you're still talking about this. As Rising Sragon stated before they saved Lily and Isis from berserk Thoma, offered him help with the Eclipse and still have it open, Veyron and Arnage recued a mistreated Reactor Plug. We haven't seen them do much, but we haven't seen that much of them yet. Give it time.
When have they ever done that?
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2013-02-26, 12:51 | Link #7563 |
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uhm... in my humble and not very respected opinion, it comes down to the Wolks and Fate showing more willingness to be saved.
The Wolkenritter made clear with their actipns they really don't want to do what they're doing almost since the beginning and soon after they gave strong hint of wishing they would have a better solution at hands as also flat out showing signs of sympathy towards the heroes, somethimg neither the Huck nor the Numbers shown. Fate was pretty much a sweet child crying for help during all of season one xDU I think Keroko's standpoint soun very reasonable, it's Tohma the one people wants to see succeding in saving the Huck rathe than seeing the killer family showing signs of redemption themselves.
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2013-02-26, 12:52 | Link #7564 |
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In the movie 2nd promotion with Force, Fortis is the only Huckebein not drawn with them. Also, he's the only one who doesn't didn't use the sister honorific when Curren arrived in the first battle. Yeah, I feel the same way.
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2013-02-26, 12:56 | Link #7566 | |
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Any time we say something “good” the Hückebein family did is either not doing or they get a benefit. That doesn’t show good nature, just show them being able to use other approach to their problems and needs. Good actions are those they do in favor of others and without expecting any benefit to come out of it. Like Signum keeping Fate in her arms while waiting for someone to take her. That shows more good nature than not killing two kids because they need to take this other one to their base and this will help. In the end here is when we look at this different, because is a different moment and different actions. The Wolkenritter did have reputation of killing but that makes the fact they don’t kill here all the more strange. Also Vita might attack Nanoha because of her hat but you forget that magic blows can be really hard and powerful but non lethal. But is how we decide to look at this. So in the end this is how I perceive the Hückebein family so far. I hope the manga can fix this but I don’t think it will and that makes it all the less enjoyable when I see Thoma insisting on talking about the Hucks like good people. I just can’t see them as good at all.
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2013-02-26, 13:00 | Link #7567 | |
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Fifth was in the Promotion, but not in the CG. Proof that things have progressed.
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2013-02-26, 13:12 | Link #7568 |
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But they kill children as Cypha tells to Signum and they also kill innocent bystanders as Veyron kills 3 nuns in the church.
Kereko is right there when he says we should care about Thoma and how he tires to save them. But to be fair I don’t get Thoma at all. He doesn’t have any kind of passion or at least one that I can follow and he just seems to say and do things because the plot demands this for him. I can’t anything for him at all, I don’t like the people he is trying to say: guess how this looks for me? You see this different, and is fine, but unless I see some changes there I will remain with my thoughts on this matter.
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2013-02-26, 13:29 | Link #7572 | |
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Thoma really doesn't have much reasons to like the Hückebein at all and yet he does out of some weird sensation that we never explore. I can, kind of, justify this but the story is not trying to do that. They just go for "he likes the a lot" with poor reasons consider the Hückebein already show they are cold blood killers who will destroy everything they feel is bothering them. Back on the other seasons the characters fight and they did were aggressive to one another but Nanoha wanted to know why, what was going on and why this people suddenly attack. There was some necessity for her to understand and she wanted to know if a peaceful solution was possible specially after Fate's incident. There is something going in there beyond the fact Nanoha wants to be friends with Vita. She wants her to listen. Thoma on the other hand already knows what is the Hückebein problem. They just want the Silver Cross, or they did, and they already show no concern over his safety or normal humans until he joins them as a Eclipse Driver. They just care about themselves and think he is one of them so they are nice to him, because they want him, not because they care about others. Yet he seems to assume this means they are good people and his general attitude towards them is what bothers me.
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2013-02-26, 15:08 | Link #7575 |
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Why are you even debating someone who just ignores your points after you state them multiple times? At least I usually addressed them.
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2013-02-26, 15:35 | Link #7578 |
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Of course that the Hucks kill innocents can't be ignored, though knowing Nanoha it will be. However the point is there was a question on when we could expect to see the Hucks do something good, and there it is.
As for magic damage... Magic damage doesn't cause physical damage worth mentioning. Couple of bruises maybe, if Vivid is to be believed, and that's it. That's its entire thing. It knocks you out, and with a bit of bedrest you're okay again. Vita killed thousands, possibly millions over the centuries of the book of darkness. Nanoha knew this. She was told the purpose of these guys. Yet she still wanted to talk to Vita, going as far as to disarm herself. Before she knew about the whole Signum shielding Fate thing. Because she wanted to be friends. Yes, she does this because she is Nanoha. And Thoma does this because he has been raised around people like Nanoha. Look at Subaru, the girl who practically raised Thoma, who's first reaction to having a streetfighter waking up in her apartment can be summarized as "Good morning, here's breakfast, let's be friends!" Last edited by Keroko; 2013-02-26 at 15:46. |
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