2009-10-04, 05:57 | Link #421 |
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my Q is abt Battler & Meta Battler.. Are they same person who in and out from the game (story)? OR they related to each other mentally? OR they're acting independent, as Battler that is inside the story doesnt know abt Meta Battler and the whole game that is repeated 3 times till now?
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2009-10-04, 06:15 | Link #423 |
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Right now we can say that Meta Battler is the 'Battler' who first lost against the Golden Witch and challenged her to a duel.
The other Battlers we have seen so far are only chesspieces within the bounds of Rokkenjima during the days of the tragedy. Meta-Battler is watching the story unfold and as we have seen he often enough crumbles at the sight of his folks not even remotely recognizing what is happening around them. Therefore we can safely assume that IF Meta-Battler has influence on Piece-Battler it is rather small and maybe just limited to certain mood swings.
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2009-10-04, 07:48 | Link #424 | |
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i really confused, at the end of Halloween story when Beato made Battler her furniture and the ceremony began .. first Genji was there welcoming her with the other furniture (i dont know what kind of creatures) i didnt see him die? 2nd after she ordered her furnitures to kill Battler and his grand pa, why she surprised when she saw Meta Battler? if Meta B & Piece B are totally independent then even if Piece B died there is no effect on Meta B as long as he doesnt believe in magic and witches UNLESS the game is depend on Piece Battler action & Meta Battler mind. |
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2009-10-04, 08:02 | Link #425 |
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Eh you made a good point. Unfortunately I don't think there is any fact that can be shown in this case. There are only interpretations. There are things that would make you think the two Battlers are separate entities and others that would make you think they are closely connected. For a definitive answer we will probably need to see the end of the story, and maybe even there it won't be that clear ^^;
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2009-10-04, 12:45 | Link #426 |
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IMO there are 2 aspects that get mixed here regarding the observations of Battler and Meta-Battler.
On the on hand there are small hints that the characters in Umineko seem to "learn" from there past experiences simular to Higurashi but with drastically less influence on the story development. Its not like the really know anything about earlier iterations but more like "Karma is their friend". They seem to realize problems / conflicts / solutions much faster in later games but IMO thats more of a story device to cut down all the boring repetition of the mystery analysis the people of the island otherwise had to do every time. Its more like "pushing" them in the right direction by inserting new influential elements. On the other hand Battler and Meta-Battler are becoming (logically speaking) totally separate entities because Battler gets reset to "no knowledge" every time and does never develop very much "ingame" while Meta-Battler is the collection of all his experiences and will go on changing. Guess there is no way to keep them consistent without a deus ex machina or some very strange events on the chessboard. When Battler starts to see how the whole puzzle fit in the final game (assuming it will play out like this ), they may even contradict themselves in some points... Would be an interesting development but also quite unlikely it gets presented that way. |
2009-10-06, 11:20 | Link #428 |
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I'm playing the second part right now, and I'm wondering, why isn't everyone happy? Just get yourself killed and go to the golden land alright? Why is there a problem? Also sacrifices aren't allowed to the Golden Land? (As Beatrice treathens Shannon) then why is Shannon at the tea party? Isn't the tea party the golden land that didn't work out or something? D:
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2009-10-06, 12:51 | Link #429 | |
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2: Spending eternity with Beatrice doesn't sound especially paradisical to anyone but Maria. |
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2009-10-06, 12:54 | Link #430 | |
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2009-10-06, 14:14 | Link #431 |
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As HanyuuChan said, sacrifices aren't allowed. Only the people who survive to the end (10th twilight that is) can go to the Golden Land. Not sure if there's a maximum though.
EP 1 - Battler, Jessica, George and Maria went. Well the last three did, since Battler denied going. EP 2 - Battler, Kinzo, Genji, Rosa and Maria went. Again, Battler refused to go. As for EP 3...well I won't say until that arc ends |
2009-10-06, 18:46 | Link #434 |
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The only thing I know for sure is that the rose garden is exactly between the guest house and the main house, and the rose garden is also the first thing you get to after walking the long winding path from the port.
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2009-10-07, 21:51 | Link #439 |
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now my question: are the portraits drawn by Ryukishi? or is someone drawing them for him? (or something in-between like Ryu making a sketch and someone else painting the actual portrait on that)
because, they look much better than the actual game spirtes (they even have ears and figers ), but at the same time the drawing style looks the same... makes me confused. my bet is he just sketches them on paper while the sprites are made directly on a computer, but i want to make sure. |
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