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Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-02-19, 00:50

These German lights? 79 KPH? The HESH of God?

Since it was recommended that I try the French autoloader line, I have made my first attempt to get there by purchasing... an AMX 40.

Sumeragi · 2013-02-19, 01:18

Effortless E-50 Rampage

Damn 59-16, if he didn't crash into me I would have gotten top experience of my team.

In other news, was the only person aside from the artillery (3,650 hp) to break 3,000 hp damages, and I didn't even put in the effort. The rest were below 2,000 hp damages. Heck, it was so effortless I got a profit despite the 2,400 credit penalty.

Strigon 13 · 2013-02-19, 01:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Endless Knackwurst

These German lights? 79 KPH? The HESH of God?

Since it was recommended that I try the French autoloader line, I have made my first attempt to get there by purchasing... an AMX 40.

Better go for the heavies. The AMX is treated as any other tier 4 scout

LoweGear · 2013-02-19, 02:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kamijou_Touma

The reason I loathe the commie tank is that you need to keep moving and readjusting aim if you don't use auto-aim feature. Its funny how they say stop aim botting, when its part of the game.

Auto-aim isn't aim-botting. Aimbots are meant for a player to have 100% chance of hitting no matter the condition; Auto-aim only makes your gun lock on to the target without your input, but actually hitting the target is another matter. The combination of RNG, aiming accuracy, and vehicle movement means your shots still have a good chance of going astray if you don't stop and aim properly, and auto-aim also locks on to the center of the tank in all axis, which usually aims your gun at the best armored part of the tank if you're aiming at the front.

Auto-aim is most useful for quickly laying your gun on target, and if you need to fire on the move, but if you want the best possible damage you'd still want to aim manually, which is especially true for higher tier battles.

LeoXiao · 2013-02-19, 04:37

E50 - The Eternal War

Spoiler for Brothers in Arms:

Sumeragi · 2013-02-19, 05:13

Got more damages than LeoXiao, but he got sighted damages.

Irenicus · 2013-02-19, 06:45

Platooning with you today was an honor, Kimidori-san.

My personal performance went up the roof when there's someone I can trust to flank the enemy when I attack, and vice versa. Our mediums punched way above our weight, and the Easy Eight is a very happy puppy now that it gets to run and do what it was meant to do.

*Salute*

RRW · 2013-02-19, 07:53

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Originally Posted by Strigon 13

Better go for the heavies. The AMX is treated as any other tier 4 scout

AMX 40 is not treated as scout thought. is treated as "Heavy"

the french Lt is blast to play. is either you hate or you love it. it just different compare to other scout.

they generally very hard to play and master. but when they do it's very rewarding (Like OHKO KV-1S using ELC ) :3

Myssa Rei · 2013-02-19, 08:30

Estimated time before I return into the game: six days. Hopefully by then the folks here can platoon with me so I can give my brand-spanking new IS a test run.

Also, my personal experience with the French Light Autoloaders (used to have the AMX 12t, now on the AMX 13 75) -- they have a high learning curve. Playing them as scouts will get you killed, for example, and they suffer in maps where there's few open spaces (Himmelsdorf, looking at you). However if you have a map with wide plains to run around, they can be VERY deadly, being arty killers par-excellence. They also work well as flankers, but ONLY if you're part of a wolf pack, and your teammates keep the enemy tanks distracted so you can outflank.

willx · 2013-02-19, 11:33

So after my break away from the game, I have had mixed results with my Pz4, my Cromwell and my T71 -- basically all my light and more mobile tanks have been suffering..

BUT -- I have won nearly 80-90% of my KT and Black Prince games. Ha?

On top of it all, my aim and damage per game has absolutely skyrocketed since I turned off the "shot recoil animation" (as I mentioned to other people, playing without recoil makes me feel dirty, that said, of course the reticle still balloons, I'm not hacking or anything!). In particular, with the aimer not moving, I can continue to properly pump out rounds on targets that have disappeared due to sight mechanics.

Kamijou_Touma · 2013-02-19, 12:36

Dai teaching me tactics in WoT... does someone think something is wrong here. Me and Leo platting with her on tier 9 (cloud 9), mainly loosing most the battles. And she ends up the first one dead before me an Leo.

Sure I'm a total n00b in WoT not knowing where to shoot most tanks, but at least my win rate is above 50%.

Besides that, I can port my Battlefield (2 & 3 & soon to be 4) skills, Company of Hero tactics, and FPS (CounterStrike, etc.) reflexes to compensate.

Tak · 2013-02-19, 12:42

Sume likes to charge in. Either keep up or support her from another angle.

Best yet, ask what she wants. With my E-75, I cannot keep up with her E-50... so I often ended up doing something else.

- Tak

Kamijou_Touma · 2013-02-19, 12:44

Yeah I already know Auto-AIM wasn't aim botting, I can tell the difference.

willx · 2013-02-19, 12:47

Ehh, let's not get into winrate here folks, it's a contentious enough item in the WoT official forums without wrangling it into our topic here. Suffice to say, for many of us, if you excluded (for many of us) suicide leveling crappy Tier 4s or trying to learn multiple tanks on multiple lines simultaneously .. many of our global win rates would be much much higher. That said, UTE for example, has demonstrated the ability to be superbly talented with a variety of vehicles which is very impressive, so it's not like global win rate has no use.

Also, I'd add that I've said it before and I'll say it again, 1) communication is key for squad based tactics, 2) what makes you successful as a player may not result in better stats and 3) tactics and strategies will vary with maximizing performance in a pub match vs. being effective in a skirmish or clan wars or company battle.

The current commonly used indicator of skill is efficiency or win4/win6 ratings in addition or combination with win rate. Doing more damage and getting more cap points typically results in victory. It may not always however, as sighted damage, strategic stalling and other factors are not included. Me flying forward to ram an enemy and leaving my charred corpse blocking a bridge doesn't award me any points -- but may induce a win. Me sacrificing myself so that 4 tanks stay behind to shoot at me instead of supporting a front, thus creating local superiority for my teammates does not factor into my stats. I could go on, but I won't, let's just say it's all very much more complicated than it might seem at first glance.

EDIT: I'd also add I've seen HAVOK, -G- and other top tier clan members die in the first few minutes of a game trying to get something started and failing. Sometimes to rally the troops you have to lead from the front .. sometimes your troops either ignore you, abandon you, pick another leader or shoot you in the back..

Sumeragi · 2013-02-19, 12:49

Heavies going up the hill in Himmeldorf isn't a matter of tactics, it's a matter of common sense.

Blaat · 2013-02-19, 13:00

I tend to ignore the hill in my heavy when I'm the lowest tier (by two tiers) heavy in Himmelsdorf.

Anyway thanks to the 2x crew bonus last weekend on the EU servers I finally managed to have crew members with 100% in their first skills. Now I need to find a decent non-outdated sixth sense mod.

Kamijou_Touma · 2013-02-19, 13:19

Yeah I admit going up was a bad idea for me, but plating with Q and ES, we're always sticking together if possible.

So that was my only reason to stick together wit the plat, cuz i trust ppl in the plat to hit the same targets if possible. Thats what I do in my squads in Battlefield, where we strategically maneuver behind the enemy and perform what its called ass jam or AJ for short, otherwise known as backstabbing. (though i find it more difficult to do in a tier 7+ matches than in 6 and below)

Anyhow I didn't bring out win rate crap out for nothing, just said it to give evidence/proof I'm not a total nub in FPS games.

Tak · 2013-02-19, 13:29

So anyone in the test server... are they doing any changes to the E-75?

Recently got the final gun... while Alpha is good, the overall stats of the gun... well, sucks.

Nah, its horrid... there, I said it.

- Tak

Pen3 · 2013-02-19, 15:01

Messed up a E-100 real bad lol

Spoiler for Size:

I love the Kona-chan skin on my AMX

Spoiler for Size:

LoweGear · 2013-02-19, 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Heavies going up the hill in Himmeldorf isn't a matter of tactics, it's a matter of common sense.

Only on Encounter. On Standard, it's the Heavy Highway for most, with the hill mostly taken by medium tanks or lights wanting to catch arty off-guard. Most of the time the pattern for Himmelsdorf Standard is an even mix of Meds/Lights on the railroad and hill, with the heavy armor taking the Heavy Highway.

Seeing a T28 or T95 on that lane is one of the scariest things you will ever see

2013-02-19, 08:30	Link #2929
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Estimated time before I return into the game: six days. Hopefully by then the folks here can platoon with me so I can give my brand-spanking new IS a test run. Also, my personal experience with the French Light Autoloaders (used to have the AMX 12t, now on the AMX 13 75) -- they have a high learning curve. Playing them as scouts will get you killed, for example, and they suffer in maps where there's few open spaces (Himmelsdorf, looking at you). However if you have a map with wide plains to run around, they can be VERY deadly, being arty killers par-excellence. They also work well as flankers, but ONLY if you're part of a wolf pack, and your teammates keep the enemy tanks distracted so you can outflank. __________________

2013-02-19, 11:33	Link #2930
willx Nyaaan~~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Age: 40	So after my break away from the game, I have had mixed results with my Pz4, my Cromwell and my T71 -- basically all my light and more mobile tanks have been suffering.. BUT -- I have won nearly 80-90% of my KT and Black Prince games. Ha? On top of it all, my aim and damage per game has absolutely skyrocketed since I turned off the "shot recoil animation" (as I mentioned to other people, playing without recoil makes me feel dirty, that said, of course the reticle still balloons, I'm not hacking or anything!). In particular, with the aimer not moving, I can continue to properly pump out rounds on targets that have disappeared due to sight mechanics. __________________ Nyaaaan~~

2013-02-19, 12:36	Link #2931
Kamijou_Touma Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In A Certain Magical Place.	Dai teaching me tactics in WoT... does someone think something is wrong here. Me and Leo platting with her on tier 9 (cloud 9), mainly loosing most the battles. And she ends up the first one dead before me an Leo. Sure I'm a total n00b in WoT not knowing where to shoot most tanks, but at least my win rate is above 50%. Besides that, I can port my Battlefield (2 & 3 & soon to be 4) skills, Company of Hero tactics, and FPS (CounterStrike, etc.) reflexes to compensate. __________________ NANO!!! DESU!!!

2013-02-19, 12:42	Link #2932
Tak Catholic = Cat addiction? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: MURICA!!	Sume likes to charge in. Either keep up or support her from another angle. Best yet, ask what she wants. With my E-75, I cannot keep up with her E-50... so I often ended up doing something else. - Tak __________________ BLESSED IS OUR GOD, THE LORD OF MIRACLES, FOR HE HAS SUPPLIED AN ENTIRE BATTALION WITH JUST FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMO AND TWO GRENADES!! Remember, the toes you step on today may be connected to the @ss you have to kiss tomorrow.

2013-02-19, 12:44	Link #2933
Kamijou_Touma Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In A Certain Magical Place.	Yeah I already know Auto-AIM wasn't aim botting, I can tell the difference. __________________ NANO!!! DESU!!!

2013-02-19, 00:50	Link #2921
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	These German lights? 79 KPH? The HESH of God? Since it was recommended that I try the French autoloader line, I have made my first attempt to get there by purchasing... an AMX 40.

2013-02-19, 01:18	Link #2922
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	Effortless E-50 Rampage Damn 59-16, if he didn't crash into me I would have gotten top experience of my team. In other news, was the only person aside from the artillery (3,650 hp) to break 3,000 hp damages, and I didn't even put in the effort. The rest were below 2,000 hp damages. Heck, it was so effortless I got a profit despite the 2,400 credit penalty.

2013-02-19, 04:37	Link #2925
LeoXiao 思想工作 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vereinigte Staaten Age: 31	E50 - The Eternal War Spoiler for Brothers in Arms:

2013-02-19, 05:13	Link #2926
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	Got more damages than LeoXiao, but he got sighted damages.

2013-02-19, 06:45	Link #2927
Irenicus Le fou, c'est moi Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV, USA Age: 34	Platooning with you today was an honor, Kimidori-san. My personal performance went up the roof when there's someone I can trust to flank the enemy when I attack, and vice versa. Our mediums punched way above our weight, and the Easy Eight is a very happy puppy now that it gets to run and do what it was meant to do. Salute

2013-02-19, 12:47	Link #2934
willx Nyaaan~~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Age: 40	Ehh, let's not get into winrate here folks, it's a contentious enough item in the WoT official forums without wrangling it into our topic here. Suffice to say, for many of us, if you excluded (for many of us) suicide leveling crappy Tier 4s or trying to learn multiple tanks on multiple lines simultaneously .. many of our global win rates would be much much higher. That said, UTE for example, has demonstrated the ability to be superbly talented with a variety of vehicles which is very impressive, so it's not like global win rate has no use. Also, I'd add that I've said it before and I'll say it again, 1) communication is key for squad based tactics, 2) what makes you successful as a player may not result in better stats and 3) tactics and strategies will vary with maximizing performance in a pub match vs. being effective in a skirmish or clan wars or company battle. The current commonly used indicator of skill is efficiency or win4/win6 ratings in addition or combination with win rate. Doing more damage and getting more cap points typically results in victory. It may not always however, as sighted damage, strategic stalling and other factors are not included. Me flying forward to ram an enemy and leaving my charred corpse blocking a bridge doesn't award me any points -- but may induce a win. Me sacrificing myself so that 4 tanks stay behind to shoot at me instead of supporting a front, thus creating local superiority for my teammates does not factor into my stats. I could go on, but I won't, let's just say it's all very much more complicated than it might seem at first glance. EDIT: I'd also add I've seen HAVOK, -G- and other top tier clan members die in the first few minutes of a game trying to get something started and failing. Sometimes to rally the troops you have to lead from the front .. sometimes your troops either ignore you, abandon you, pick another leader or shoot you in the back.. __________________ Nyaaaan~~

2013-02-19, 12:49	Link #2935
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	Heavies going up the hill in Himmeldorf isn't a matter of tactics, it's a matter of common sense.

2013-02-19, 13:00	Link #2936
Blaat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004	I tend to ignore the hill in my heavy when I'm the lowest tier (by two tiers) heavy in Himmelsdorf. Anyway thanks to the 2x crew bonus last weekend on the EU servers I finally managed to have crew members with 100% in their first skills. Now I need to find a decent non-outdated sixth sense mod. __________________ MyAnimeList

2013-02-19, 13:19	Link #2937
Kamijou_Touma Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In A Certain Magical Place.	Yeah I admit going up was a bad idea for me, but plating with Q and ES, we're always sticking together if possible. So that was my only reason to stick together wit the plat, cuz i trust ppl in the plat to hit the same targets if possible. Thats what I do in my squads in Battlefield, where we strategically maneuver behind the enemy and perform what its called ass jam or AJ for short, otherwise known as backstabbing. (though i find it more difficult to do in a tier 7+ matches than in 6 and below) Anyhow I didn't bring out win rate crap out for nothing, just said it to give evidence/proof I'm not a total nub in FPS games. __________________ NANO!!! DESU!!!

2013-02-19, 13:29	Link #2938
Tak Catholic = Cat addiction? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: MURICA!!	So anyone in the test server... are they doing any changes to the E-75? Recently got the final gun... while Alpha is good, the overall stats of the gun... well, sucks. Nah, its horrid... there, I said it. - Tak __________________ BLESSED IS OUR GOD, THE LORD OF MIRACLES, FOR HE HAS SUPPLIED AN ENTIRE BATTALION WITH JUST FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMO AND TWO GRENADES!! Remember, the toes you step on today may be connected to the @ss you have to kiss tomorrow. Last edited by Tak; 2013-02-19 at 13:46.

2013-02-19, 15:01	Link #2939
Pen3 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	Messed up a E-100 real bad lol Spoiler for Size: I love the Kona-chan skin on my AMX Spoiler for Size: Last edited by Pen3; 2013-02-19 at 15:42.