Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Discussion & News [Spoilers]

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Apparently you didn't see the dozens of posts of images that should just how poorly the model kits were selling in Japan.

[Sir Dearka]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

Apparently you didn't see the dozens of posts of images that should just how poorly the model kits were selling in Japan.

Maybe it's just that they produce the kits from "those series" in greater amount than other ones

EDIT:

00 turned out not to be the Gundam series that'd really be among the top of the top in my eyes like Zeta or THAT series.

Nevertheless, it is a decent show and deserves some decent treatment. I'm just waiting till I got more money and buy Dynames or Plutone, or MG Exia if it comes out till then

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well I wouldn't mind another Seed Series per se as long as they can find a Director/Writer duo who know what they're doing and a more exciting protaganist. Also no ZZ for source material and they'd have to retcon much of what went on in Seed Destiny past about episode 11. Once that Juna character with his constant hysterical bugging out showed up the series kind of set it's tone of goofing around for 20 or so episode until finally organizing a semblance of a plot around episode 33. Of course by then it was too late and we got the rushed ending. There were also so many character moments that just made no sense at all that the majority of Destiny really just needs to be ignored if they are going to have any possibility of pulling a good story out of a possible 3rd series.

[Sir Dearka]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

Well I wouldn't mind another Seed Series per se as long as they can find a Director/Writer duo who know what they're doing and a more exciting protaganist. Also no ZZ for source material and they'd have to retcon much of what went on in Seed Destiny past about episode 11. Once that Juna character with his constant hysterical bugging out showed up the series kind of set it's tone of goofing around for 20 or so episode until finally organizing a semblance of a plot around episode 33. Of course by then it was too late and we got the rushed ending. There were also so many character moments that just made no sense at all that the majority of Destiny really just needs to be ignored if they are going to have any possibility of pulling a good story out of a possible 3rd series.

There's already been a discussion on this topic on "Gundam SEED Trilogy" topic. Let's not fill this thread with strictly non-00 disputes again.

As for the next series, i just hope that 00 makes enough money for the second season not to be given up. With such well-set 25-episode background, I can see some nice character development coming. And not wasted like in THAT show

[Terra]

Actaully, I think part of the problem with model sales was the suits they were focusing on were nothing more than redo's of the suits from the first series with a little bit extra. People just didn't see the need to buy new.

I don't see G00 being as big as GS, but that is because I don't see it having the wide appeal range that GS did. But for what it does do, I think it does it well and is doing fine for what it is. Sure the DVD sales haven't been like it's predecessor, but that's what you get with a more serious plot line. It's still up there in the DVD rankings, so I don't see it doing badly and there hasn't been any indication that the series has been considered to be failing in any regard so far.

[Tangerine]

初動 累計
(first week)-(Total)

56,760　80,635　機動戦士ガンダム SEED DESTINY 1
36,634　62,527　コードギアス 反逆のルルーシュ 1 (Code Geass 1)
30,147　71,081　機動戦士ガンダム SEED 1
28,729　35,176　涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱 朝比奈ミクルの冒険 Episode00 (限定版) (Sumiya Haruhi Episode 00)
27,325　63,284　NANA 1
25,917　38,671　らき☆すた 1 (Lucky Star 1)
22,847 ****** Gundam 00 1
22,008　44,169　頭文字D Fourth Stage 1 (Initial D 1)
21,450　64,992　鋼の錬金術師 1 (FMA 1)
20,248　28,950　ラブひな 1 (Love Hina 1)
20,174　25,292　AIR 1
19,464　23,961　CLANNAD 1
18,671　26,637　Fate／stay night 1
18,665　23,688　魔法少女リリカルなのはStrikerS 1 (Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS 1)
17,062　24,859　銀魂 1 (Gintama 1)
16,940　20,097　Kanon (BS-i) 1
16,624　19,768　あずまんが大王１年生限定 (初回) (Azumanga 1)
16,354　31,169　DEATH NOTE 1
15,471　23,432　魔法先生ネギま 1 (Negima)

[Var]

Originally Posted by Terra

I don't see G00 being as big as GS, but that is because I don't see it having the wide appeal range that GS did. But for what it does do, I think it does it well and is doing fine for what it is. Sure the DVD sales haven't been like it's predecessor, but that's what you get with a more serious plot line. It's still up there in the DVD rankings, so I don't see it doing badly and there hasn't been any indication that the series has been considered to be failing in any regard so far.

Agreed. I don't see G00 appealing to that lower age group that GS/D appealed too. At the same time though, I respect that Bandai allowed someone to make a Gundam with a more serious/'realistic' tone... and a surprisingly low amount of 'wtf' moments and deus ex machina.

As for DVD sales, I personally expect them to bonce up near the end as the story in 00 is finally past its build up and is onto the real juice. A story with a good base tends to lead to great things.

[LightningZERO]

At least 00 seems to have higher model kit sales compared to Seed Destiny, probably that will keep Bandai satisfied

Originally Posted by Tangerine

初動 累計
(first week)-(Total)

56,760　80,635　機動戦士ガンダム SEED DESTINY 1
36,634　62,527　コードギアス 反逆のルルーシュ 1 (Code Geass 1)
30,147　71,081　機動戦士ガンダム SEED 1
28,729　35,176　涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱 朝比奈ミクルの冒険 Episode00 (限定版) (Sumiya Haruhi Episode 00)
27,325　63,284　NANA 1
25,917　38,671　らき☆すた 1 (Lucky Star 1)
22,847 ****** Gundam 00 1
22,008　44,169　頭文字D Fourth Stage 1 (Initial D 1)
21,450　64,992　鋼の錬金術師 1 (FMA 1)
20,248　28,950　ラブひな 1 (Love Hina 1)
20,174　25,292　AIR 1
19,464　23,961　CLANNAD 1
18,671　26,637　Fate／stay night 1
18,665　23,688　魔法少女リリカルなのはStrikerS 1 (Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS 1)
17,062　24,859　銀魂 1 (Gintama 1)
16,940　20,097　Kanon (BS-i) 1
16,624　19,768　あずまんが大王１年生限定 (初回) (Azumanga 1)
16,354　31,169　DEATH NOTE 1
15,471　23,432　魔法先生ネギま 1 (Negima)

Wow. I'm surprised that Death Note is actually low on this list

[faustianideals]

I uh, purchased a Gundam Dynames model kit... It is AWESOME...

[brightman]

Originally Posted by Tangerine

初動 累計
(first week)-(Total)

56,760　80,635　機動戦士ガンダム SEED DESTINY 1
36,634　62,527　コードギアス 反逆のルルーシュ 1 (Code Geass 1)
30,147　71,081　機動戦士ガンダム SEED 1
28,729　35,176　涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱 朝比奈ミクルの冒険 Episode00 (限定版) (Sumiya Haruhi Episode 00)
27,325　63,284　NANA 1
25,917　38,671　らき☆すた 1 (Lucky Star 1)
22,847 ****** Gundam 00 1
22,008　44,169　頭文字D Fourth Stage 1 (Initial D 1)
21,450　64,992　鋼の錬金術師 1 (FMA 1)
20,248　28,950　ラブひな 1 (Love Hina 1)
20,174　25,292　AIR 1
19,464　23,961　CLANNAD 1
18,671　26,637　Fate／stay night 1
18,665　23,688　魔法少女リリカルなのはStrikerS 1 (Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS 1)
17,062　24,859　銀魂 1 (Gintama 1)
16,940　20,097　Kanon (BS-i) 1
16,624　19,768　あずまんが大王１年生限定 (初回) (Azumanga 1)
16,354　31,169　DEATH NOTE 1
15,471　23,432　魔法先生ネギま 1 (Negima)

The total for 00 is about 35,342 after the 4th week, which is weaker than Geass's first week sales combined.

On another news, Geass's reruns on Mainichi Broadcasting is rating an average of 3.9%, not much less than 00's 4.7%.

Seed and Seed Destiny got viewerships of 7.4% and 6.0% respectively on Mainichi (and other stations in the Kansai region).

I think we have another case of Gundam X here, with the overshadowing by Wing and Eva being replaced by Seed and Geass...

[sart]

Originally Posted by Tangerine

初動 累計
(first week)-(Total)

56,760　80,635　機動戦士ガンダム SEED DESTINY 1
36,634　62,527　コードギアス 反逆のルルーシュ 1 (Code Geass 1)
30,147　71,081　機動戦士ガンダム SEED 1
28,729　35,176　涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱 朝比奈ミクルの冒険 Episode00 (限定版) (Sumiya Haruhi Episode 00)
27,325　63,284　NANA 1
25,917　38,671　らき☆すた 1 (Lucky Star 1)
22,847 ****** Gundam 00 1
22,008　44,169　頭文字D Fourth Stage 1 (Initial D 1)
21,450　64,992　鋼の錬金術師 1 (FMA 1)
20,248　28,950　ラブひな 1 (Love Hina 1)
20,174　25,292　AIR 1
19,464　23,961　CLANNAD 1
18,671　26,637　Fate／stay night 1
18,665　23,688　魔法少女リリカルなのはStrikerS 1 (Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS 1)
17,062　24,859　銀魂 1 (Gintama 1)
16,940　20,097　Kanon (BS-i) 1
16,624　19,768　あずまんが大王１年生限定 (初回) (Azumanga 1)
16,354　31,169　DEATH NOTE 1
15,471　23,432　魔法先生ネギま 1 (Negima)

jeez...I'd hate to be a sales analyst in japan.

These numbers make absolutely no sense to me. There seems to be no correlation between a good series to good sales ...

but then again my taste probably don't represent the average Japanese buyer. Where the hell is bebop or evangelion or kenshin? i dont even like evangelion but you cant deny they were insanely popular and they dont even make the list? Is this list based on a certain channel / studios etc?

[Shinkouhyou]

Originally Posted by brightman

The total for 00 is about 35,342 after the 4th week, which is weaker than Geass's first week sales combined.

On another news, Geass's reruns on Mainichi Broadcasting is rating an average of 3.9%, not much less than 00's 4.7%.

Seed and Seed Destiny got viewerships of 7.4% and 6.0% respectively on Mainichi (and other stations in the Kansai region).

I think we have another case of Gundam X here, with the overshadowing by Wing and Eva being replaced by Seed and Geass...

Geass is a rare mecha show that's very good at reaching out to people who don't really care for mecha shows. Gundam is Gundam, with thirty years of preconceptions behind it, so it can't really escape the somewhat narrow "mecha" definition. I think female viewers are really making a big difference here. Geass, Haruhi and Nana are a lot more accessible to young women than something like Gundam. Then there's the male otaku market that fuels the moe-moe dating sim stuff that makes up a lot of the newer things on the lower part of the list. Geass is practically whoring itself with the fanservice (for men and women!) so no wonder it's doing so well! I think I'd feel a little sick if fanservice on that level showed up in 00, no matter how much that might appeal to a wider fanbase... it just wouldn't fit. 00 is doing pretty well (think of all the big-budget, shiny new anime lately that are nowhere near being on that top 20 list) so they're not going to cancel it like Gundam X. And since the Gundam franchise will be around until the end of time, there will probably be sustained interest in 00 for many years while really topical stuff like Lucky Star gets forgotten.

[Zeta Gundam]

Originally Posted by sart

jeez...I'd hate to be a sales analyst in japan.

These numbers make absolutely no sense to me. There seems to be no correlation between a good series to good sales ...

but then again my taste probably don't represent the average Japanese buyer. Where the hell is bebop or evangelion or kenshin? i dont even like evangelion but you cant deny they were insanely popular and they dont even make the list? Is this list based on a certain channel / studios etc?

Agreed on that.

I guess it just depends moreso on taste.

A lot of people seem to adore Lucky Star and Haruhi because of their otaku jokes.I couldn't stomach just a few episodes of either series,but I guess the Japanese viewers like it apparently because both rank high on the list so meh.

As for the 3 you listed.They are fairly old compared to the major list.All 3 were created and ran primarily through the mid,to late 1990's.In an era where DVD's weren't "In" yet.

[brightman]

Originally Posted by sart

jeez...I'd hate to be a sales analyst in japan.

These numbers make absolutely no sense to me. There seems to be no correlation between a good series to good sales ...

but then again my taste probably don't represent the average Japanese buyer. Where the hell is bebop or evangelion or kenshin? i dont even like evangelion but you cant deny they were insanely popular and they dont even make the list? Is this list based on a certain channel / studios etc?

See this list of best selling TV anime media (average/volume) EVER - albeit a bit outdated:

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

#25 Gitsac 2nd Gig 19641 units
#24 Card Captor Sakura 20192 units
#23 Azumanga Daioh 23725 units
#22 Air 23905 units
#21 Love Hina 24013 units
#20 Gundam ZZ 26028 units
#19 Fate/Stay Night 26047 units
#18 Gundam Wing 28469 units
#17 Patlabor 28514 units
#16 Initial D Fourth State 29508 units
#15 Future Boy Conan 31158 units
#14 Dragon Ball GT 31696 units
#13 Lupin The Third 1st Series 35331 units
#12 Fullmetal Alchemist 36519 units
#11 Nadia The Secret Of Blue Water 36821 units
#10 Martian Successor Nadesico 37897 units
#9 Dragon Ball Z 40065 units
#8 Cowboy Bebop 40212 units
#7 Suzumiya Haruhi 41307 units
#6 Code Geass 44657 units
#5 Zeta Gundam 54994 units
#4 Gundam Seed 58563 units
#3 Gundam Seed Destiny 69247 units
#2 Mobile Suit Gundam 80928 units
#1 Neon Genesis Evangelion 173458 units

I hope that answers your question...

That list you're referring to is for DVD sales, which is still a fairly new invention (no offense to Blu-ray), so older shows don't seem to make the list.

[sart]

Originally Posted by brightman

See this list of best selling TV anime media (average/volume) EVER - albeit a bit outdated:



I hope that answers your question...

That list you're referring to is for DVD sales, which is still a fairly new invention (no offense to Blu-ray), so older shows don't seem to make the list.

that list makes abit more sense thanks brightman

[chitgoks]

hey is it true gundam00 is only 25 eps for season 1? and seaosn 2 will start on october?

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by chitgoks

hey is it true gundam00 is only 25 eps for season 1? and seaosn 2 will start on october?

You are indeed correct.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by chitgoks

hey is it true gundam00 is only 25 eps for season 1? and seaosn 2 will start on october?

In some ways it is true, but you should view it more as a "break" rather than as two separate seasons. 50 episodes or so is generally the expected length of a Gundam TV story.

[JediNight]

I hardly would relate Gundam00 to GundamX just yet. It still comes in at 7th on that chart, which is not too shabby. And probably some people were a bit reluctant at first, fearing Gundam00 might be another TurnA as far as breaking from the traditional Gundam story goes. It still has the pretty boys to pull in the female fans like previous Gundam shows, and the mecha designs have grown on me. I really like the Flag Fighter and Exia.

I honestly can't predict how the Japanese fans will react to the show as it continues, but I have been impressed with the last couple episodes. I was initially dismayed at some of the earlier happenings with them constantly letting Ali and the other main antagonists get away, but they aren't pulling many punches with the main characters so far.

I wonder how far off that list Eureka7 appears, actually. Since I felt that was another show where initially it starts a little slow, but pours on steam throughout the show and by the end is one of my all-time favorites for interesting world design and overall character development.

Making a little comment on the Seed universe: Stargazer proved that the Seed universe could still produce some excellent stories if a director other than Fukuda is put in charge and they take it more seriously.

[LoweGear]

Well, my observation on the HG GN Arms about a red Exia was right afterall...

Spoiler for Exia: