Dies Irae/Kajiri Kamui Kagura/Paradise Lost/Senshinkan series

[Righteousness]

Ahhhhh, now I finally get how 'desire combat' works using Atziluth, ie overriding your opponents desire and the concepts that stem from it. Still, what can Reinhard's Legion do aside from their lack of a death concept and ignoring the concept of time (ie Ren's Eternal Moment/"Stop")? And all of the LDO's Briah's get booted up to pseudo-Atziluth level and usable by Reinhard, or just the ones shown?

(Also what are Ren/Reinhard's Taikyoku values during Three Colors route? )

[erneiz_hyde]

Everyone in the Legion gets boosted up to their master's level, and their master can use all of his legions' boosted abilities. In Dies, there's only 2 known Legion Gods, Reinhard and Ren, so being a Hadou God does not automatically give you Legion abilities, though it does automatically make you the Throne God if no one else is around.

as for specific taikyoku values, I can't remember.

[shmaster]

I should add, the Beast is specialized in making Legion. He can make anyone he killed into a Legion unconditionally.
Ren can only make people who he shares a strong bond with into a Legion.

Snake's Taikyoku value is in the 90s. Ren and the Beast can fight with him evenly means they are about the same level at that time.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Making Legion IS the Beast's Atziluth and is good as any if each Legion member is a multiverse killing god....


So while the Beast's power doesn't seem special, he certainly isn't weaker than the rest

[Darkking]

It seems abilities are not that important. The main thing that was strongly Taikyoku.

[UchihaBeast]

Well....
Abilities is still important when it comes to evenly Taikyoku between the two users

[Darkking]

Interestingly, legionaries also embody walking universes?
They all have Taikyoku?
I have no doubt about Tenma, but what about Reinhard?

[erneiz_hyde]

What are you asking exactly? Of course he has it. Taikyoku = Atziluth. Only, since Atziluth/Ryuushitsu means 'flowing out' (because Mercurius was focused in creating a Hadou God by his Ewigkeit) it doesn't correspond correctly to Gudou Gods, even though they're technically on the same level. Taikyoku can refer to both Hadou and Gudou.

[Darkking]

I mean, Samael (for example) has Taikyoku/Atziluth after Reinhard become a Hadou God?
Is she the universe?

[erneiz_hyde]

Think of Legions as merged with their masters. Legionnaires and and their Master became one entity, comprised of many individuals (hence Legion), though the master is still at the center, so Legionnaires cannot copy each other. You could almost say they are now one and the same, if not for the fact that each Legionnaires still maintain their sense of self. However, there are also cases like Valeria who is tied so close to Reinhart such when Reinhart dies, Valeria's soul is also broken.

If you ask me if Samael was the universe, I would say yes, and she's also a part of a greater universe that is the Shuradou (Reinhart).

[Cosmic Eagle]

Yes Legionaries are walking universes.


In addition they are effectively part of their Master's "body" like de facto arms and legs, so to speak.



Tenma and the Beast's Legion follow the same principle except that Tenma are far stronger and are protected by Ren's Time Stop.




The Taikyouku of a Tenma/ LDO Legionary is a pseudo value granted by default on becoming part of the Legion. On top of this, is layered the Master's Taikyouku value so that everything a Tenma/ LDO Legionary does is effectively the same as Ren or the Beast doing it themselves

[Golden Lily]

We're here again, so have some food for eyes, my little pervs ^^

[Cosmic Eagle]

Anna....stop playing with yourself

*forever alone T__T*




Anyway, FROHE WEIHNACHTEN!!!!

[Yagami Kyo]

So I've been researching about these games and, a couple of weeks ago, I started Dies Irae just because. And it looks glorious. I'm about chapter 7 and it's being quite good, so yeah, I'll be watching this thread from time to time

[Kirayuki]

Originally Posted by Yagami Kyo

So I've been researching about these games and, a couple of weeks ago, I started Dies Irae just because. And it looks glorious. I'm about chapter 7 and it's being quite good, so yeah, I'll be watching this thread from time to time

I see you have been enjoying the game, BTW this is Anata from Twitter

[Darkking]

I stumbled on the top characters on ATwiki.
Characters The Spirit of Eternity Sword really so strong?
I mean, stronger than Hajun? Really?
And the characters demonbane much lower then Snake. Although I think they are overrated, but still.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Darkking

I stumbled on the top characters on ATwiki.
Characters The Spirit of Eternity Sword really so strong?
I mean, stronger than Hajun? Really?
And the characters demonbane much lower then Snake. Although I think they are overrated, but still.

That particular atwiki is grossly inaccurate

[Darkking]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

That particular atwiki is grossly inaccurate

There were suspicions, but still, how strong characters Seinarukana?

[shmaster]

Originally Posted by Darkking

There were suspicions, but still, how strong characters Seinarukana?

Grossly overpowered. Eternals on average have multiverse busting fire power.
The top ones have some ridiculous hax. Tokimi is out right reality warping hax, Bobo probably is about as hard to kill as the Mercury, and Myugi is like a super powered up version of Ryusui.

Though, they suffer from various restrictions due to their log domain being pretty fragile. Which is the only reason I see them as weaker than the Dies cast.

[Cosmic Eagle]

They are strong but far below Shinza mainly due to low durability (their verse is so fragile, they have to be careful not to bust it and wipe themselves out)