The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 4 Discussion / Poll [2006 TV ep. 10]

[Forever]

Originally Posted by iamandragon

Nagato is alien, though she still has a body of human. It's just that none of the parts that were hit are so vitual that Nagato will die in an instant. The only way to kill a person in an instant is to damage their brain. Even if you penetrate their heart it will still take a few second to die. If it's a normal person they would surely die. But for Nagato, who does not feel pain, can heal herself through data manipulation.



2 more post after this to be the longest...


Lotus soup
lotus
pork
green bean
boil for two hours

Erm u learnt the recipe from your mother? I prefer adding peanuts than green bean.

Anyway I do think Nagato body's is human. But I do think it does not matter whether that body is alive or dead. All Nagato needs is a container physically exist. Even if her head is cut off, her body will die, but then Nagato still remains in the container(body) and simply regenerates the head later. Thats why the only way to truly kill them is to totaly destroy the container, preventing nagato from existing physically. They are just like ghosts possessing a body, it does not matter the body is dead or alive.

[iamandragon]

This is now the longest episode discussion thread.
Woops! I was chatting on the MSN while going on this forum and asking my mother about the recipe and got confused...I didn't meant to post it up...

Is peanuts really better than green beans or it's just your preference? Doesn't matter...I'll take your advice and try both...

EDIT: thanks C.A. for reminding of my typo. "This is now the longest episode discussion thread" not "This is not the longest episode discussion thread."

[C.A.]

You mean 'This is now the longest episode discussion thread'? lol!

Good job everyone! We will now work with the future episode discussions to be even longer!

For the discussion on damaging the bodies of Data Entities.

If they can manipulate data in various dimensions, maybe they can also damage data in various dimensions. Ryoko's spears may be able to damage beyond 3 dimensions?

Not sure why but a random verse just came to my mind, I'm not even Christian lol

"...a sword shall pierce through thy own soul..."

[npal]

^ Well, not if Ryoko used 3D materials to form something.

[C.A.]

Maybe it looks 3-D to Kyon and us humans, because we can only percieve 3 dimensions, it may actually be a hyper solid of some sort and is multidimensional lol

[npal]

Well, since Data Entities are expressionless, we don't know if Yuki was bothered by the attack or not. The physical body took damage though. Yuki did use a multidimensional attack though, since Ryoko kicked the backet Yuki recovered pretty fast, so I doubt the attack had any damage. Although we don't know if this is due to Ryoko not producing a multidimensional weapon or Yuki being far superior to Ryoko, so she could restore lost data pretty easily.

[C.A.]

Hmmm yea, regardless of dimensions, data = data, taking damage in data means taking damage nonetheless.

So its just that Ryoko is not strong enough to defeat Yuki, Yuki just owns too much lol

[M.D. Geist]

Guess the key to Yukis Body beeing immune to the impacts were her preparations she made before entering...

So maybe it just looked like she was serious wounded but the program in the background "deleted" some data of the attack to make it really weak or something!



Edit :

As I knew ^^

Spoiler for for image:

Haruhi 10 with subs in hd res sure looks better <3

[C.A.]

Yes, Yuki buffed herself before the battle.

Besides 'Touch of Death' which I mentioned several pages back, she probably also has:

Mana(Data) Shield
Haste
HP Regen

Apparently data exists in forms of HP and MP.

Somehow AS forums are kinda quiet, nothing worse than a boring saturday morning. I wonder how Haruhi spends her weekends without SOS dan activities.

[panzerfan]

transfer pain, hex, body to mind, fortitude, acumen, empower, shield...

why does this sound like spells from some MMORPG? (btw anyone knows which one I am think of?)

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by panzerfan

transfer pain, hex, body to mind, fortitude, acumen, empower, shield...

why does this sound like spells from some MMORPG? (btw anyone knows which one I am think of?)

world of warcraft??? do i get a prize if im right?

[USB500]

Originally Posted by C.A.

Somehow AS forums are kinda quiet, nothing worse than a boring saturday morning. I wonder how Haruhi spends her weekends without SOS dan activities.

Probably predicting the upcoming FIFA World Cup champion?

Okay, that may sound stupid, but...

[Rymir]

Originally Posted by panzerfan

transfer pain, hex, body to mind, fortitude, acumen, empower, shield...

why does this sound like spells from some MMORPG? (btw anyone knows which one I am think of?)

I'm guessin Everquest. There's no "Body to Mind", "Acumen", or "Empower" in WoW. (however I haven't played everquest ehehe)

[C.A.]

Well I wanted to guess, but since this is the internet and there's no such thing as guessing when you have search engines lol

World Cup started already? I don't know when its starting lol

Attempt to restart the thread engine:

Anyone else had watery eyes themselves when you watch(or rewatched) the part where Asahina-san had watery eyes?

Also I think its around 34+ hours to the next Haruhi episode

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by C.A.

Hmmm yea, regardless of dimensions, data = data, taking damage in data means taking damage nonetheless.

So its just that Ryoko is not strong enough to defeat Yuki, Yuki just owns too much lol

If Digimon taught us anything it was that.

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

If Digimon taught us anything it was that.

Strangely that reminds me of shows like The Matrix and recently Zegapain.

Since they have alternate virtual worlds that are basically extremely complex programs where everything exists as data.

In The Matrix, Neo can perform physics defying feats because he can sort of freely manipulate the data in the Matrix. Sounds like The Data Entities and Haruhi.

The Back Doors in The Matrix also reminds me of time travelling and dimensional hopping. Though the Back Doors can only bring you around the Matrix.

[Vexx]

Actually, there are physics theories utilizing information theory that describe "reality" as simply an information field that could be manipulated at will with the right keys.
Yuki is someone who can manipulate reality by adjusting the information field on which reality derives from.

[C.A.]

Does this mean there's no such thing as laws? Or are there even laws for reality altering/manipulation?

I'd love to discuss such theories in the ontology thread, but its weird to start popping up there with half a discussion lol

[Orchunter226]

Originally Posted by Vexx

Actually, there are physics theories utilizing information theory that describe "reality" as simply an information field that could be manipulated at will with the right keys.
Yuki is someone who can manipulate reality by adjusting the information field on which reality derives from.

Well it's true that reality is simply data in your head. I mean, senses may or may not exist, it's all just in your reality. It's hard to describe, but how do you know what your looking at is real? Your senses tell you it's real, but how do you know they are real? Everything you experience is just electrical signals in your head, just like a computer. So whose to say that if could manipulate what others experience (their data) as well as youself you wouldnt be manipulating reality? Reality may be just data we share with everyone.

[panzerfan]

Lineage II my friends. Hehe.

(If you want we can move all of this discussion to ontology... but anyway)

We can always look at this as that there's another level of reality that has eluded humanity about matter. It has taken humanity almost all of its existence to understand that transmutation of matter is possible and the duality of matter to energy. True control of physical property of things, understanding the root of all forces, the structure of dimensions and manipulation of time are matters that are coming... best we can say is that all of this is magic for now as we haven't a firm grasp of any of these topics right now.

Even now, transmutation of element is still not truly mastered. The principle behind fusion is only starting to unveal its promises. We have a long way to go just to reach maturity in the foundations to truly imitating the 'hands of God' there.

We know that information is a form of entropy. whether or not if the randomness in distribution of energy can be applied onto the famous E=mc^2 though (assuming if you define reality as solid matter) is another story...

Subsequently, is information absolute like how the speed of light is? If information is absolute and usable as a postulate we might be able to derive the next big thing in physics on the connection between information, energy and matter, who knows...

Here's something rather interesting on energy, entropy and information...
http://dieoff.org/page17.htm