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MK-95- · 2014-08-03, 04:31

So, um...Is Tsugumi, Sasame's twin or something? Well anyway, I initially thought that she'd be an existence that was created from Sasame or something like that. It was slightly surprising to know that she's her own existence. (NB: I said slightly because it isn't really a shock tbh)

I did notice that a nineth child usually appeared in their flashbacks, I initially thought Tsugumi was the nineth child, but that misdirection with the "sin" talk kinda threw me off. When all this talk about "our sin" started circulating, I thought that the "sin" was Tsugumi's death. Well, I suppose the sin wasn't death, but rather abandoning her in the lightless realm?

Also, what doesn't Minashi know? Apparently, he's the only one to retain his memories of when they were trapped in the lightless realm.

BBOvenGuy · 2014-08-03, 12:34

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So, um...Is Tsugumi, Sasame's twin or something?

Not necessarily twins. I've been guessing they were sisters for quite a while now.

Galacticichi · 2014-08-03, 12:42

I'm prepared for Sasame to be even more shit. Minashi's been pissing me off for a while now too.

Gohan78 · 2014-08-04, 03:08

Akashi is indeed an annoying protagonist. I cringed when he tore the arbornine bracelet for no reason at all. Or rather, his reasoning was "I don't want to be protected by Sasame, I want to protect her". Please...

Leaving aside the chauvinism of this sentence, what do you think you -a normal human- can do in the Lightless Realm without a mecha?

As for the other characters, Minashi is definitely someone who cannot be trusted. I don't know if he is evil but he certainly is not telling everything he knows.

Key Board · 2014-08-04, 13:29

well I guess ep 16 explains almost everything

leave scary cults alone, guys

juve · 2014-08-04, 18:01

pretty much leaving the anime after that lame ass excuse of a grudge.
It is not even like they actually escaped the lightless realm and left her behind or something. they just left her while playing a game.

i think her real grudge has to do with sasame and minashi leaving her while running off with akashi. a whole lot of other misunderstandings of both the girls interpretations of who akashi lubs. LOL.
Akashi is so whipped from the start. Hopefully Iwato and Reika stay live cause that is the only good pairing that came out of this anime.

cleo · 2014-08-05, 07:15

^They stepped outside while playing the game, but Minashi & Sasame decided to take the other kids outside the Lightless Realm. They could have taken them back near the tree and Tsugumi. Their memory loss still needs explaining though, I highly doubt Minashi lost his. Which leaves the question why he joined the company he was meant to destroy.
And damn Iwato. I want him and Raika to be okay as well, but with 1 1/2 admonition still wandering around, there's zero hope for that in this show

VTHokiePride · 2014-08-05, 21:52

The only couple I cared about in this show is about to break up. As soon as Iwato and Raika were talking about who would become a LIM, I knew one of them was going to eventually die. Minashi seems to know and remember everything. Did Sasame also?

BBOvenGuy · 2014-08-06, 01:29

Well, that was very helpful. So much of the story makes sense now...

Spoiler for For those who may be confused...:

Okay, here's my take on it:

Many years ago, Tsugumi and Sasame were the mikos of some strange mystical cult, bestowed with supernatural powers. Minashi was also in the cult. It occurs to me that he might be their brother or half-brother, but he doesn't necessarily have to be. Anyway, IX destroyed the cult's compound and killed almost everyone. As a final act of revenge, the high priestess had the sisters create the Corpse, and then commanded the three children to take the Corpse to Tokyo, which they did.

Once they got to Tokyo, Tsugumi (as the elder sister) activated the Corpse, creating the Lightless Realm. But just as everything was still getting started, Akashi, Emiru and the rest of the gang happened upon them. They all made friends and spent an extended time together, under the protection of those glowing tree things. But Tsugumi knew it wouldn't last, and so one day she started crying about it. That's when Akashi the macho-man idiot (even as a kid) made a rash promise to stay with Tsugumi forever.

They went back to playing, but Heito decided to go outside and have a look around. The other kids - apart from Tsugumi who was "It" in hide-and-seek and was therefore closing her eyes and counting - followed Heito. When the non-cult-member kids saw the devastation of the Lightless Realm, they freaked out and went running in all directions. Sasame and Minashi knew that the Lightless Realm would kill the other kids once they got too far from the tree thingy, so they took some fruit from it and chased down the rest of the gang, slipping the fruit into their pockets for protection. Meanwhile, Tsugumi noticed that everyone was gone, and she freaked out about it. She went to the fully-grown Corpse and used it to chase the other kids away.

My guess is that the reason Minashi and Sasame were the only ones who remembered all of that is because the other kids lost their memories when the Lightless Realm started killing them. But that's only a guess.

Whew...

Now I feel like I should go back and rewatch the previous episodes, to see how much of all that stuff has been hinted at without us realizing it.

Oh, and Sasame is much better off fighting as a LIM than remaining human and being Akashi's manliness trophy.

cleo · 2014-08-06, 03:05

The stream I watched was lagging, so I missed that Tsgugumi actually drove them out herself. I think more people from that island had special powers, and that's why IX experimented on them. It's also quite ironic that Akashi made that promise because he wanted to be like his brother, whom he ended up hating so much.

Key Board · 2014-08-06, 14:23

On another note, did anyone notice that Okouchi wrote the script for the latest episode?

He does seem to like writing characters that overreact and let their emotions get the better of them. I wonder how much influence in M3

I mean, I honestly like Tsugumi over Sasame, but that reaction of hers was disproportional compare to what actually happened

BBOvenGuy · 2014-08-06, 15:00

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I honestly like Tsugumi over Sasame, but that reaction of hers was disproportional compare to what actually happened

Well, that's what happens when you put weapons of mass destruction in the hands of children...

MgMaster · 2014-08-06, 15:21

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Originally Posted by juve

It is not even like they actually escaped the lightless realm and left her behind or something. they just left her while playing a game.

i think her real grudge has to do with Sasame and Minashi leaving her while running off with akashi. a whole lot of other misunderstandings of both the girls interpretations of who akashi lubs. LOL.

Well maybe,but looking at things from Tsugumi's perspective,as a scared little kid,I don't think it's too surprising that she'd think this way. And even if she's grown now,it's not like she had any social interactions with anyone...

I hope there will be more revelations about that cult of theirs. Seeing as how Tsugumi & Sasame were burdened by the adults,that nutty old hag in particular,with creating the Lightless Realm for the sake of revenge,I really don't think they had a good upbringing.

ChampDream · 2014-08-06, 17:00

I find weird that the village send kids with a dangerous weapon alone in a city, but I guess probably nobody could suspect children to have a dangerous weapon in their hand.
about Tsugumi, she seem to hate being alone and that why she freak out instantly when the other kids left by accident. so the only people to blame here is IX.
If only we had more Iwato and Raika.

MgMaster · 2014-08-07, 06:24

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so the only people to blame here is IX.

I'd blame the villagers just as much tbh,for asking 2 kids(3 if we count Minashi) to carry out revenge for them,one that was no small feat either. I'm not gonna take the moral high ground and preach how revenge is wrong & all that jazz but if they wanted revenge,they should've tried it themselves,not burden others with it.

thundrakkon · 2014-08-07, 08:28

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I'd blame the villagers just as much tbh,for asking 2 kids(3 if we count Minashi) to carry out revenge for them,one that was no small feat either. I'm not gonna take the moral high ground and preach how revenge is wrong & all that jazz but if they wanted revenge,they should've tried it themselves,not burden others with it.

And why did they want revenge in the first place? That's right, IX massacred the villagers. So yes, IX is very much to blame.

As for why the kids are sent, first, I think only the sisters had the ability to control the corpse and create the lightless realm. Second, the adults were probably busy trying to protect the kids from IX, while the kids were escaping. Essentially, everyone else was killed, so it would be difficult for them to conduct revenge from their grave.

Cloudedmind · 2014-08-07, 08:57

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Well maybe,but looking at things from Tsugumi's perspective,as a scared little kid,I don't think it's too surprising that she'd think this way. And even if she's grown now,it's not like she had any social interactions with anyone...

I hope there will be more revelations about that cult of theirs. Seeing as how Tsugumi & Sasame were burdened by the adults,that nutty old hag in particular,with creating the Lightless Realm for the sake of revenge,I really don't think they had a good upbringing.

I mostly agree. Even though I can kind of understand her reaction given that she was a scared kid, and already suffering from separation anxiety, I still don't like her. But, then I didn't really care for her from the beginning. Up until this point she hadn't really done much except walk around in a slip dress.

I'm going to assume the kids got sent because the girls were priestesses and probably the only ones who could control the corpse, and Manashi probably went along for good measure. Still, it's a shitty thing to make three kids do regardless of ones reasons.

Iwato and Raika, the only two people I really care about in this show. Considering this shows track record things aren't looking to good for them.

As far as Manashi remembering everything. I think he just remembered everything sooner then the others. He obviously knew more then everyone else including Sasame for a time, but I think he really did forget like everyone else at least for a time. However, we'll hopefully find out the rest next episode.

MgMaster · 2014-08-07, 13:52

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And why did they want revenge in the first place? That's right, IX massacred the villagers. So yes, IX is very much to blame.

Oh,I'm not saying the guys at IX are innocent or anything,just that the villagers aren't much better.

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I mostly agree. Even though I can kind of understand her reaction given that she was a scared kid, and already suffering from separation anxiety, I still don't like her. But, then I didn't really care for her from the beginning. Up until this point she hadn't really done much except walk around in a slip dress.

Let's look at the bright side,at least she looks good in it

bastek66 · 2014-08-09, 08:50

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Miraluka · 2014-08-09, 21:53

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MK-95- Best Girl Connoisseur Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Trinidad & Tobago Age: 28	So, um...Is Tsugumi, Sasame's twin or something? Well anyway, I initially thought that she'd be an existence that was created from Sasame or something like that. It was slightly surprising to know that she's her own existence. (NB: I said slightly because it isn't really a shock tbh) I did notice that a nineth child usually appeared in their flashbacks, I initially thought Tsugumi was the nineth child, but that misdirection with the "sin" talk kinda threw me off. When all this talk about "our sin" started circulating, I thought that the "sin" was Tsugumi's death. Well, I suppose the sin wasn't death, but rather abandoning her in the lightless realm? Also, what doesn't Minashi know? Apparently, he's the only one to retain his memories of when they were trapped in the lightless realm. __________________ "When there is evil in this world that justice cannot defeat, would you taint your hands with evil to defeat evil? Or would you remain steadfast and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?" - Lelouch vi Britannia as Zero.

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Gohan78 Awakened One Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Northern Italy	Akashi is indeed an annoying protagonist. I cringed when he tore the arbornine bracelet for no reason at all. Or rather, his reasoning was "I don't want to be protected by Sasame, I want to protect her". Please... Leaving aside the chauvinism of this sentence, what do you think you -a normal human- can do in the Lightless Realm without a mecha? As for the other characters, Minashi is definitely someone who cannot be trusted. I don't know if he is evil but he certainly is not telling everything he knows. __________________ Tibi, magnum Innominandum, signa stellarum nigrarum et bufaniformis Sadoquae sigilim. (De Vermis Mysteriis)

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Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	well I guess ep 16 explains almost everything leave scary cults alone, guys __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

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VTHokiePride Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Washington DC Age: 29	The only couple I cared about in this show is about to break up. As soon as Iwato and Raika were talking about who would become a LIM, I knew one of them was going to eventually die. Minashi seems to know and remember everything. Did Sasame also? __________________

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BBOvenGuy Math Ninja Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ventura County CA Age: 59	Well, that was very helpful. So much of the story makes sense now... Spoiler for For those who may be confused...: Okay, here's my take on it: Many years ago, Tsugumi and Sasame were the mikos of some strange mystical cult, bestowed with supernatural powers. Minashi was also in the cult. It occurs to me that he might be their brother or half-brother, but he doesn't necessarily have to be. Anyway, IX destroyed the cult's compound and killed almost everyone. As a final act of revenge, the high priestess had the sisters create the Corpse, and then commanded the three children to take the Corpse to Tokyo, which they did. Once they got to Tokyo, Tsugumi (as the elder sister) activated the Corpse, creating the Lightless Realm. But just as everything was still getting started, Akashi, Emiru and the rest of the gang happened upon them. They all made friends and spent an extended time together, under the protection of those glowing tree things. But Tsugumi knew it wouldn't last, and so one day she started crying about it. That's when Akashi the macho-man idiot (even as a kid) made a rash promise to stay with Tsugumi forever. They went back to playing, but Heito decided to go outside and have a look around. The other kids - apart from Tsugumi who was "It" in hide-and-seek and was therefore closing her eyes and counting - followed Heito. When the non-cult-member kids saw the devastation of the Lightless Realm, they freaked out and went running in all directions. Sasame and Minashi knew that the Lightless Realm would kill the other kids once they got too far from the tree thingy, so they took some fruit from it and chased down the rest of the gang, slipping the fruit into their pockets for protection. Meanwhile, Tsugumi noticed that everyone was gone, and she freaked out about it. She went to the fully-grown Corpse and used it to chase the other kids away. My guess is that the reason Minashi and Sasame were the only ones who remembered all of that is because the other kids lost their memories when the Lightless Realm started killing them. But that's only a guess. Whew... Now I feel like I should go back and rewatch the previous episodes, to see how much of all that stuff has been hinted at without us realizing it. Oh, and Sasame is much better off fighting as a LIM than remaining human and being Akashi's manliness trophy. Last edited by BBOvenGuy; 2014-08-06 at 10:11.

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Galacticichi Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	I'm prepared for Sasame to be even more shit. Minashi's been pissing me off for a while now too.

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juve Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	pretty much leaving the anime after that lame ass excuse of a grudge. It is not even like they actually escaped the lightless realm and left her behind or something. they just left her while playing a game. i think her real grudge has to do with sasame and minashi leaving her while running off with akashi. a whole lot of other misunderstandings of both the girls interpretations of who akashi lubs. LOL. Akashi is so whipped from the start. Hopefully Iwato and Reika stay live cause that is the only good pairing that came out of this anime.

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cleo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amsterdam	^They stepped outside while playing the game, but Minashi & Sasame decided to take the other kids outside the Lightless Realm. They could have taken them back near the tree and Tsugumi. Their memory loss still needs explaining though, I highly doubt Minashi lost his. Which leaves the question why he joined the company he was meant to destroy. And damn Iwato. I want him and Raika to be okay as well, but with 1 1/2 admonition still wandering around, there's zero hope for that in this show

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cleo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amsterdam	The stream I watched was lagging, so I missed that Tsgugumi actually drove them out herself. I think more people from that island had special powers, and that's why IX experimented on them. It's also quite ironic that Akashi made that promise because he wanted to be like his brother, whom he ended up hating so much.

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Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	On another note, did anyone notice that Okouchi wrote the script for the latest episode? He does seem to like writing characters that overreact and let their emotions get the better of them. I wonder how much influence in M3 I mean, I honestly like Tsugumi over Sasame, but that reaction of hers was disproportional compare to what actually happened __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

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