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ZeroXSEED · 2013-11-19, 10:26

Both sides has their point

The only way to write canon character as their canon self is either dry harem humor or went straight to dark deconstruction.

But that doesn't mean OOCness and unexplained canon violation is completely justified.

Best approach would be starting as canon self but gradually grew out of it, this is what I hope to achieve with Mirrorverse.

Tempest35 · 2013-11-19, 17:19

Regarding the gender issue... there's too many snakes in that barrel to try and stick your hand in and pinpoint which snake actually bit you.

It's always the vocal minority that ruin things for the quieter majority. In this case, the 'millions' of men who wish to return males to the dominant role again would be going against the 'billions' of men who just don't care or have their lives affected by the IS. One could say that the man of today's Japan are becoming increasingly weaker (literally and figuratively) and that IS is a weird prediction/case study of what would happen if females acquired the dominant role. We all know that Izuru is NOT interested in such things but an ambitious fanficcer could attempt it. Too bad that I haven't seen one address the issue in a way that is interesting to me.

Honestly, if I had to absolutely make an male OC, combat would be a very distant 3rd or 4th on his 'to learn' list. What would he be concentrating on - flying. Just simply flying.

I mean, Chifuyu inadvertently doomed the IS to being relegated to a combat sport unit and nothing more. How come surgeries aren't being performed using IS tech? The HyperSensor alone should help the surgeons by quite a bit. How about using IS for search and rescue operations? I mean, who REALLY decided that IS should just be used for combat like they are? It's a total waste. An inkling tells me Tabane has something to do with it but a combative setting is only one part of what makes an IS work like it does.

StratoSpear · 2013-11-19, 18:03

THEN AGAIN, standing from Eras' standpoint... Have we ever seen any intra-gender conflict outside the ISA? Or even aside from canon implications for that matter? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but given what I've read from the LNs, I'd say some authors kinda blew the gender thingy out of proportion and beyond.

Still, I may have missed out something so please do correct me where need be.

Fireminer · 2013-11-19, 18:14

Again and again, they are just for the overly-abused Harem. It would be quite interesting if, let say, a male teacher compete for the seat of ISA Headmaster with his female collague.

ZeroXSEED · 2013-11-19, 19:53

On the issue of man woman thing, remember that Japan got hit the hardest, compared to sya, America.

also remember Japan has shitty population growth.

do the math, the government is running around like headless chicken in reality, in I.S. they like headless chicken on fire.

Ultrafeminist is no match for YAMATO DAMASHII + threat of extinction.

Thus the reason why "Men are slaves" is pretty much bullshit, especially with the youngest generations.

At worst they're just second rate citizen with limited access to high class service.

Filthy rich men in position give no shit either, I.S.A. are managed by a man for God's sake.

Fireminer · 2013-11-19, 20:17

Wait, wait, the Headmaster is a Male?

Also, thinking about Kanzashi. Which way could she be better? I mean I could expand Houki or Cecilia, but not for Kanzashi.

ZeroXSEED · 2013-11-19, 20:27

Technically husband of the headmaster

But he's the one managing ISA instead of her, she's just there as a front.

REAL MEN works behind the curtain like a boss.

Kanzashi is okay character on her own, just need to focus on her is good enough.

Fireminer · 2013-11-19, 20:30

*Imagine Ichika doing the same in a larger scale*

Guys, I think that we've found another way for a non-IS Ichika. Making him change the world through political and enconomy power. Quite suit for a Korean-style drama, don't you think so?

ZeroXSEED · 2013-11-19, 20:38

You'll need to revamp his backstory

Where to start is important

And it'll be long, grueling story spanning for years.

Tempest35 · 2013-11-19, 20:39

Korean style drama....? Now that I think about it, I haven't had Korean food in a while.... #_#

The entire situation reminds me of Mai Otome - sad as it was ( I thought Sergay was an alright guy until he got screwed over). Only girls can be Otome but they can only be Otome when contracted and share their contractee's life. So if contracted by royalty or high borne nobles, you got a pretty snazzy life (except you were expected to STILL do household chores and also be the bodyguard of said contractee). In Sergay's case, he knew the girls that would later become two out of the five Pillars (strongest Otome) and one became the Principal. They'd even snark back and forth at meetings with other heads of state and no one could really do anything - it was awesome. SO mad they didn't develop it further... >.<

Hmmm, how can I re-write him ... Let's just say that if EITHER Josh or Iori were like Sergay in the same capacity, I'd ... actually rethink my stance on them ...

Fireminer · 2013-11-19, 20:40

Hmm... Let see... Disgusted by the unequality, Ichika Orimura decided to step in the political route as an activist... Something great and should be related to a war. Maybe stopping the War between France, Germany and England? Then he got his job in UN and slowly climbed to power by doing what a bastard would do: Manipulating the Girls. In the end, stripped of all power and influence, while knowing that he is going to die soon, Ichika found solace and forgivness on the Shinono Temple, in Houki's arms.

Mushy am I?

StratoSpear · 2013-11-19, 20:40

Like Lelouch? Probably. Though that might be OOC.

ZeroXSEED · 2013-11-19, 20:48

Miner, sometimes I think you're doing it on purpose

I'll summon Eras from the death lair of SB and sic him on you.

Fireminer · 2013-11-19, 20:55

Tch... Maybe I am?

Also, what do you guys prided yourself over? For example, my twin brother has the ability to group up everyone ideas into a large batch, and still they are in harmony?

Eratas123 · 2013-11-19, 21:45

I prefer to focus more on issues like morality and when one goes too far. Is it alright to kill a serial killer if you knew he'd never be kept in jail? Is using an innocent accomplice of someone guilty to take down said guilty person justifiable? If someone was an evil monster but they got amnesia and became good, is it better to kill him/her anyway just to be safe and make them pay for their crimes?

Fireminer · 2013-11-19, 22:07

Just like Confusian said: "What you do not want done to yourself, do not do on other". If you don't want to be kill, just don't kill people. But if people want to kill you, then you will have the choice to retaliate.

But of course, it could lead to many falsehood. So please remember another quote of him: "What the superior man seek is in himself. What the small man seek is in others.", and "If a man take no thought to the distant, he will find sorrow near his hand." In short, let yourself stand tall but also low. Carry yourself with Pride and Humble. And the foremost, Think before do anything. For example, there is this case in Vietnam this week: An 18 years-old nany stormed to the death to a crying infant, while that nany always have good reputation in that community. Without thinking, human are just beast.

Akisa Akimune · 2013-11-19, 22:16

Eratas: Is revenge good?
If the evil monster forgot and became good, why the need to kill him? It's a bit as if you kill an innocent, because he don't even remember his evils deeds.

Miner: I dont' see Ichika Orimura the block head, idiot and too kind person for his own sake doing this. But it's an idea to exploit...

ZeroXSEED · 2013-11-19, 22:47

I prided myself being capable to recognize technical details and extrapolate.

but not restricted to bullshit calcs like few people did. For example, kiloton laser and megaton OTH cannon in muvluv fandom.

In that way, I'm not as good as storyteller as most people here, but I can make power level consistent in story.

blitz1/2 · 2013-11-19, 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fireminer

Tch... Maybe I am?

Also, what do you guys prided yourself over? For example, my twin brother has the ability to group up everyone ideas into a large batch, and still they are in harmony?

I pride myself in creating dark plots (but held on a leash by Zero) xD

StratoSpear · 2013-11-19, 23:03

I pride myself in exploring possibilities in a universe as vaguely opem as the IS. Hence I try to go AU routes and see what else could happen outside canon view.

Then again, some of them may not make sense. :P

2013-11-19, 10:26	Link #48541
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Both sides has their point The only way to write canon character as their canon self is either dry harem humor or went straight to dark deconstruction. But that doesn't mean OOCness and unexplained canon violation is completely justified. Best approach would be starting as canon self but gradually grew out of it, this is what I hope to achieve with Mirrorverse. __________________

2013-11-19, 17:19	Link #48542
Tempest35 Awe of She Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Orlando	Regarding the gender issue... there's too many snakes in that barrel to try and stick your hand in and pinpoint which snake actually bit you. It's always the vocal minority that ruin things for the quieter majority. In this case, the 'millions' of men who wish to return males to the dominant role again would be going against the 'billions' of men who just don't care or have their lives affected by the IS. One could say that the man of today's Japan are becoming increasingly weaker (literally and figuratively) and that IS is a weird prediction/case study of what would happen if females acquired the dominant role. We all know that Izuru is NOT interested in such things but an ambitious fanficcer could attempt it. Too bad that I haven't seen one address the issue in a way that is interesting to me. Honestly, if I had to absolutely make an male OC, combat would be a very distant 3rd or 4th on his 'to learn' list. What would he be concentrating on - flying. Just simply flying. I mean, Chifuyu inadvertently doomed the IS to being relegated to a combat sport unit and nothing more. How come surgeries aren't being performed using IS tech? The HyperSensor alone should help the surgeons by quite a bit. How about using IS for search and rescue operations? I mean, who REALLY decided that IS should just be used for combat like they are? It's a total waste. An inkling tells me Tabane has something to do with it but a combative setting is only one part of what makes an IS work like it does. __________________ "Focus entirely on me, you ordinary soldier."

2013-11-19, 18:03	Link #48543
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	THEN AGAIN, standing from Eras' standpoint... Have we ever seen any intra-gender conflict outside the ISA? Or even aside from canon implications for that matter? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but given what I've read from the LNs, I'd say some authors kinda blew the gender thingy out of proportion and beyond. Still, I may have missed out something so please do correct me where need be. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2013-11-19, 19:53	Link #48545
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	On the issue of man woman thing, remember that Japan got hit the hardest, compared to sya, America. also remember Japan has shitty population growth. do the math, the government is running around like headless chicken in reality, in I.S. they like headless chicken on fire. Ultrafeminist is no match for YAMATO DAMASHII + threat of extinction. Thus the reason why "Men are slaves" is pretty much bullshit, especially with the youngest generations. At worst they're just second rate citizen with limited access to high class service. Filthy rich men in position give no shit either, I.S.A. are managed by a man for God's sake. __________________ Last edited by ZeroXSEED; 2013-11-19 at 20:04.

2013-11-19, 20:27	Link #48547
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Technically husband of the headmaster But he's the one managing ISA instead of her, she's just there as a front. REAL MEN works behind the curtain like a boss. Kanzashi is okay character on her own, just need to focus on her is good enough. __________________

2013-11-19, 18:14	Link #48544
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	Again and again, they are just for the overly-abused Harem. It would be quite interesting if, let say, a male teacher compete for the seat of ISA Headmaster with his female collague.

2013-11-19, 20:17	Link #48546
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	Wait, wait, the Headmaster is a Male? Also, thinking about Kanzashi. Which way could she be better? I mean I could expand Houki or Cecilia, but not for Kanzashi.

2013-11-19, 20:30	Link #48548
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	Imagine Ichika doing the same in a larger scale Guys, I think that we've found another way for a non-IS Ichika. Making him change the world through political and enconomy power. Quite suit for a Korean-style drama, don't you think so?

2013-11-19, 20:38	Link #48549
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	You'll need to revamp his backstory Where to start is important And it'll be long, grueling story spanning for years. __________________

2013-11-19, 20:39	Link #48550
Tempest35 Awe of She Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Orlando	Korean style drama....? Now that I think about it, I haven't had Korean food in a while.... #_# The entire situation reminds me of Mai Otome - sad as it was ( I thought Sergay was an alright guy until he got screwed over). Only girls can be Otome but they can only be Otome when contracted and share their contractee's life. So if contracted by royalty or high borne nobles, you got a pretty snazzy life (except you were expected to STILL do household chores and also be the bodyguard of said contractee). In Sergay's case, he knew the girls that would later become two out of the five Pillars (strongest Otome) and one became the Principal. They'd even snark back and forth at meetings with other heads of state and no one could really do anything - it was awesome. SO mad they didn't develop it further... >.< Hmmm, how can I re-write him ... Let's just say that if EITHER Josh or Iori were like Sergay in the same capacity, I'd ... actually rethink my stance on them ... __________________ "Focus entirely on me, you ordinary soldier."

2013-11-19, 20:40	Link #48551
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	Hmm... Let see... Disgusted by the unequality, Ichika Orimura decided to step in the political route as an activist... Something great and should be related to a war. Maybe stopping the War between France, Germany and England? Then he got his job in UN and slowly climbed to power by doing what a bastard would do: Manipulating the Girls. In the end, stripped of all power and influence, while knowing that he is going to die soon, Ichika found solace and forgivness on the Shinono Temple, in Houki's arms. Mushy am I?

2013-11-19, 20:40	Link #48552
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	Like Lelouch? Probably. Though that might be OOC. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2013-11-19, 20:48	Link #48553
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Miner, sometimes I think you're doing it on purpose I'll summon Eras from the death lair of SB and sic him on you. __________________

2013-11-19, 20:55	Link #48554
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	Tch... Maybe I am? Also, what do you guys prided yourself over? For example, my twin brother has the ability to group up everyone ideas into a large batch, and still they are in harmony?

2013-11-19, 21:45	Link #48555
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	I prefer to focus more on issues like morality and when one goes too far. Is it alright to kill a serial killer if you knew he'd never be kept in jail? Is using an innocent accomplice of someone guilty to take down said guilty person justifiable? If someone was an evil monster but they got amnesia and became good, is it better to kill him/her anyway just to be safe and make them pay for their crimes? __________________

2013-11-19, 22:07	Link #48556
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	Just like Confusian said: "What you do not want done to yourself, do not do on other". If you don't want to be kill, just don't kill people. But if people want to kill you, then you will have the choice to retaliate. But of course, it could lead to many falsehood. So please remember another quote of him: "What the superior man seek is in himself. What the small man seek is in others.", and "If a man take no thought to the distant, he will find sorrow near his hand." In short, let yourself stand tall but also low. Carry yourself with Pride and Humble. And the foremost, Think before do anything. For example, there is this case in Vietnam this week: An 18 years-old nany stormed to the death to a crying infant, while that nany always have good reputation in that community. Without thinking, human are just beast.

2013-11-19, 22:16	Link #48557
Akisa Akimune L'anticipation du pouvoir Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nowhere and everywhere	Eratas: Is revenge good? If the evil monster forgot and became good, why the need to kill him? It's a bit as if you kill an innocent, because he don't even remember his evils deeds. Miner: I dont' see Ichika Orimura the block head, idiot and too kind person for his own sake doing this. But it's an idea to exploit... __________________ False tears bring pain to those around you, false smiles bring pain to oneself...

2013-11-19, 22:47	Link #48558
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	I prided myself being capable to recognize technical details and extrapolate. but not restricted to bullshit calcs like few people did. For example, kiloton laser and megaton OTH cannon in muvluv fandom. In that way, I'm not as good as storyteller as most people here, but I can make power level consistent in story. __________________

2013-11-19, 23:03	Link #48560
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	I pride myself in exploring possibilities in a universe as vaguely opem as the IS. Hence I try to go AU routes and see what else could happen outside canon view. Then again, some of them may not make sense. :P __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."