2012-02-08, 22:00 | Link #1141 |
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some of the good fights at the end of first TV series were of the girls, especially when rena joins reika, tsugumi with the barrier etc. in this series i just hope to zessica be the head element first before mikono. i know zessica probably won't win so love war but i do want her to own in the mecha war.
as far as i am concerned mikono can stay elementless. her power can just be her connection to aquarion. |
2012-02-08, 22:06 | Link #1142 | |
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Whether Mikono wins the love war or not, it'll be a great twist to see her become a powerful pilot and go on a demolition derby. And that doesn't mean Zessica can't be a great pilot, which I'm sure we can all agree will happen either way. (she is a primary head for the Type-F like Cayenne is for the Type-M after all) In fact, both will make great setup for an end-of-series Amata/Mikono/Zessica Sousei Gattai to save the world. And speaking of Amata/Mikono/Zessica Sousei Gattai; c'mon Kawamori, make it happen. We all want it, and sometime earlier than the end of the series.
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2012-02-08, 22:13 | Link #1144 | |
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I'm all for Amata/Zessica/Mikono/Book! But first they need to introduce this elusive book character... I'm very thrilled to meet it. (And its even got a spot in the ED! It must be important!)
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2012-02-08, 22:16 | Link #1145 | |
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i think zessica kicks ass and so she should get more screen time to kick ass. i loved her piloting this episode to escape kagura. she kept kagura in the "ever failing to get his way" department until he got distracted. |
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2012-02-08, 22:19 | Link #1146 | |
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It's Mikono that'll make for an unexpected badass pilot, and that's a good chunk of the reason why I'm rooting for it.
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2012-02-08, 22:30 | Link #1147 |
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I'm still hoping for hotblood dose coming from HanaKanaZessica
I think we'll get it from episode 8, from the untranslatedsummary posted days ago :3 Noriko and Kazumi from Gunbuster/Top wo Nerae?
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2012-02-08, 22:34 | Link #1148 |
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That's a good point, but a) it's an oldie and you never see anything like it anymore, hence the "almost" that I used, and b) a surprisingly large number of people view it as its own mecha parody rather than a serious mecha series. (one example they use is a dolphin for an operator in the final episode) I love Gunbuster and the inferno duo, but it's a rare gem that unfortunately doesn't really boost the average comparitively due to the lack of simple numbers of hot-blooded female mecha pilots, and especially in coparison to the number of female mecha pilots in the big-name series-es like Gundam that are near- or complete jokes.
Most certainly, it doesn't help that its sequel definitely doesn't really take itself seriously.
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You actually stereotyped all females in mecha anime as being bad pilots. A lot of female characters in mecha anime are good pilots. Albeit, without some experience, they aren't good in the beginning. However, Zessica throws your theory out the window. She shows some talent. Don't make assumptions like that. There are a lot of good female pilots. You just have to watch them. Quote:
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2012-02-09, 03:37 | Link #1150 |
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It is normal for heroines in mecha to get kidnapped in the final episodes and then saved by the hero during the final battle. The rescuing is proof that the hero loved her. You have to look at things from the point of view of the main character
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2012-02-09, 04:00 | Link #1151 | ||||
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@Shinji103--Apollo got the spotlight because he was the main character, main protagonist and the "hero"...he was all three. So that's why Silvia took a backseat to him. But Silvia kicked major ass all throughout the OS and it is she who made Sirius and Touma see the error of their ways.
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I am not Kawamori, nor am I Okada. I didn't see the script, I wasn't there in the "planning stages", so I am not going to presume to know what's going on --I don't. It's an assumption on my part based on what I saw. So this is not a shipping war, but we're discussing whom we believe will get together and our reasons for preferring it. What I do know is this--- your premise is flawed (I am saying this to both of you) I wonder if you both realize that you're arguing both sides of the fence. Do you? You're both arguing that Mikono has not known Kagura long enough for her to like him. So he really didn't do much to spark an interest, because they barely know each other, and she just met him but the same time...You're both saying that characters can fall in love after knowing each other at least a day, or at the most a week. Kuro-chan (can I call you that?) You said more than once---I might add "(Paraphrasing here)
Because Kagura declared her his BEFORE Amata said that destiny line... So I have to ask you both you don't see the contradiction there? You can't have it both ways. Either one day-or one week, or one meeting, isn't enough time to form a tendre for someone, or it is enough time. because " week means jack shit in these sorts of stories that's a poor excuse, people fall in love in practically a day in these sorts of stories" Tenchi-kun (are you a guy or girl? Can I call you that)--can I give you a tip? You cannot say things like "according to that machine and week means jack shit in these sorts of stories that's a poor excuse," Then do a 180 and say "Amata and Mikono were litterally about to become in love before Kagura cock blocked it"--because you got that from "the machine"..you know the one you said "doesn't mean jack shit" Thus your argument is a failed one---because you say "that doesn't mean anything" when it comes to Kagura, and then you both turn around use the same shit you just told me, it doesn't count so it doesn't help my pairing--does count when it comes to your paring and only your paring. To hell with mines. Even if it's the same it doesn't count because the machine is only good for validating your ship not mine. . Um what does NTR mean? ...I don't know. If I never ask, how will I know? Enlighten me please? Quote:
You're killing me, you know that? That's why he's the HERO.
She was scared when he grabbed her-because she's pretty much a wuss, but then she felt his concern. Why would she want to apologize to a guy that scared the beejeezubs out of her? It would mean that it had an "effect" on her and it's no longer fear-- Um, why is she conflicted? All of sudden, she's confused and feels something is "wrong". This is after Kagura declared her his. She was holding hands and did the mugen punch thing--so it can't be a battle..yet now she's conflicted Quote:
Because every person who's band went off, did so because of romantic setting and feelings? otherwise known as ATTRACTION? You can say fear but like Tenchi-Kun said "The were practically in love" and how do we know this? The monitor told us so... Just like it also told us that Kagura set her body aflame because it shocked the hell out of her. According to the band, Kagura has a greater affect on her than Amata does. Also, Kagura and Amata, and Mikono were pretty much, introduced at the same time--give or take few minutes in the 1st half. So it's not boy meets girl. It's girl, met two boys--in the begining. @ Iron-mike. Whipping boy? Don't you think that is a bit of an exaggeration? Also if Kagura lost "All" his fights. It would mean he lost all his fights. Which he did not. He lost only two fights and that was to Aquarion--Solar Aquarion (EVOL) and if you're gonna say "he keeps losing to Amata lol" then I should point out that technically he only lost o Amata ONCE. In the Second half of the double episode. That is the only time he lost to Amata, since he was the the "Head" The second time he lost to Shrade, who was the head of Aquarion Mars--whoops Aquarion Spada. In OS, Sirus and Peirre were the heads for that one. Serius because he was swordsman and Pierre because it allowed him to use his element power... More than likely Aquarion Lunar--will be used by Mikono and Zessica, whenever they decide to show it. Because Silvia and Reika, for the most part used Luna when they were "the head" I have to got bed, I have to get up in few hours so I didn't quote or answer everything I wanted to ---and I made this short and sweet--(short for me, I can be long-winded...er long fingered) Oh yeah...watching him run around desperately tyring to find his woman---gaah I melted. I hope he gets her in the end (I am starting to think that he will, because Aquarion is the story of Apollo and Silva in all their incarnations and Kagura is Apollo) So I am going to wave my pom-pom's while Kusa and Dragon do handstands and flips...We'll be in the KaguraXMikono and AmataxZessica stands Last edited by Lord of Pandemonium; 2012-02-09 at 04:24. Reason: added to it |
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2012-02-09, 04:16 | Link #1152 |
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^ I agree with you on a lot of these things, LoP.
I too think there's still much growth to be had in all the characters. We haven't heard about all of their pasts yet. I mean, where are all the parents? I'm also still waiting to see more of Zessica. As for love triangles: Mikono/Amata/Zessica,I think it's safe to say that Mikono has Amata's full attention right now. He seems more drawn to her personality. Unless the sub that I'm watching is wrong, he's also called her his "first love." The sad part of that is that there is no actual relationship yet. But we have seen so far that he is both attracted to Mikono and interested in getting to know her. So I'll say that we have a lead in that triangle so far that might change with the next few episodes. So far, Amata knows very little, if anything, about Zessica, though sexual attraction is a plus for now. Amata/Mikono/Kagura,I think the same words apply to Mikono: Amata has her full attention right now. She has an attraction to Kagura, I will admit; but the person who's she has interacted with most so far is Amata. She's formed a sort of bond with him. She also shows an attraction to Amata and gets jealous of Zessica hanging all over him. Her attraction to Kagura is fine, however, she knows nothing about him yet. She only has that vision to go by. So unless the next couple of episodes cause them to interact more, I doubt he'll have much of a chance. We're only up to episode six. I won't say endgame is either, not specifically anyway. I still have doubts, after all, it is still early to say which one is endgame. But I do think that both triangles will reach their end by 15 at most, or at least the female one.
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2012-02-09, 04:34 | Link #1153 | |
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Secondly, her wish to apologize is not a conscious feeling, heck she doesn't even remember it after wards. Call it some spiritual instincts from a past life if you will. Thirdly, you seem to be pushing very hard for this to be some hint of Kagura/Mikono when it's more like that scene in the movies where King Kong grabbing the woman and trying to runaway with her...You know, I've seen these symptoms before back in the old days of the Nanoha subforums...
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2012-02-09, 05:35 | Link #1154 |
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That's like saying Sakura is the main character of Naruto, she's NOT. I don't know where you you even get the slightest idea that she's the main character in this. She's not in practically every sense of the word. I mean really what even lead you to believe she was, she has some link to a character in the previous series so what, Amata could have absolutely zero links to the previous series and serve entirely as an agent of chaos within the story and he'd still be the main character hero and protagonist of this story. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT A PROTAGONIST EVEN IS. Otherwise you wouldn't be saying Mikono of all people was it. The story structure is mind numblingly obvious about who it is. It's simply you choose not to see it. There is not a single episode where Mikono gets more focus or screen time than Amata, nor is there any point where her thoughts are known more than Amata. Are you just choosing to ignore this. Even this episode where she meets Kagura her thoughts are barely shown whereas Amata's are made blatantly obvious. It shocks me when someone can't read these simple hints within a story. |
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Let me highlight the point that I'm really making and not the one you think I am : female pilots in mecha anime, good or bad, are 95% of the time treated as pointless. Point out how many Gundam series-es have a significant female pilot who actually influences the plot with her piloting skills or can stand up to the main antagonist in combat. Haman Khan I already mentioned, but let's look at the more recent Gundam 00 for one; Nena Trinity was a complete joke. Louise Harvey didn't do anything as a pilot other than take out the joke pilot, Nena. Soma Peries was a great pilot who the staff relegated to less and less signficant roles as a pilot. And that's just Gundam 00. You have massively misunderstood the entire point I was trying to make. It has nothing to do with skillsets; the stereotype here is that mecha is generalised as a guy's thing even by the people who make them. If you're not male, chances are you're not going to be doing much that gets you the spotlight as far as combat and battling the penultimate atagonist(s) is concered. Mecha anime that are about the female pilots are rarely remembered widely. Jinki, Soukou no Strain, and other series like that are easily-forgotton and/or received low budgets, in effect making them even more forgettable. Gunbuster was a rare and good exception, but there are still people who call it a parody of other mecha shows instead of being its own good show. Another stereotype that ridicules female pilots is in Gundam where everybody expects a female pilot to be psycho. It's so bad a stereotype that when Louise showed up as a pilot in Gundam 00 S2, everybody was calling "PSYCHO." I was one of the few who held onto the hope that she would actually be a competent, significant pilot. That hope was crushed. So to reiterate my point, female mecha pilots rarely get significant combat focus; you'll never see a girl beat take out the bad guy in Gundam, and we'll probably never get to see a female protagonist in a Gundam anime. (though I'd love for them to break this stereotype) I am not saying female pilots all suck, I'm talking about how mecha anime creators treat them. If you'd read my first post where I clearly point out Haman Khan's awesomeness on the previous page and Zessica's great skillset at the top of this very page, you would have realized that before ever typing out what you did. Quote:
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Instead of Sylvia being in her pilot seat in Vector Luna, the final battle turned into a war for ze boyz, where women are never allowed in a mecha anime.
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2012-02-09, 07:09 | Link #1157 | |
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There are very rare exceptions e.g Ron from Kim as is the case for most story conventions, but for the vast, vast majority of the time what I say holds true. Sure the villain could change to the main character in this story, much like any event in any story ever but it's, simply very, very highly unlikely and more in the realms of fan fiction, than the logical progression of the story. |
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2012-02-09, 07:10 | Link #1158 | |
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Anyway, the point of women in Japanese anime is usually to show that there are things other than fighting, which is an important concept in itself. One could even say that by wishing there are stronger women on par with male characters one is using women only to approve his own righteousness. If women have no choice but to follow the path of men in everything, then it means men's way is right and women's way was wrong. Silvia was very important in the climax of Aquarion without the need of using violence. This showed her women's way was even more important than men's. It should make you think. |
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2012-02-09, 07:23 | Link #1159 | |
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But really this arguement is silly in the context, your arguing about piloting skill which isn't outright determined by physical capability (though it does play a factor), but even more your talking about piloting skill in a Super Robot of which physical capabilities play no effect what so ever. In this context there's no reason why women wouldn't be as good as men in it and the only logical reason would be cultural, e.g for the majority of the populus women pilotting mechs isn't looked to great upon or quite simply isn't very popular. Though in this show it isn't much of an excuse. |
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2012-02-09, 07:35 | Link #1160 | |
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Also i don't think it's unlikely that Kagura can become a main character if he does end up being the incarnation of apollonius or apollo. |
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