Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by Jirachier

Trident is both the spell and the CAD, so it might be either of them and to be honest the logic here of the author is not very good, so tatsuya can beat Lina who is the strongest magician in the USNA army without going all out but somehow he needs to go all out to beat Yanagi or Kazama who are powerful magicians in their own right but still, it's like comparing Miyuki(Tatsuya) to Mayumi(Yanagi/Kazama), both hold amazing magic abilites but one of them is just too damn good power wise.

Lina is just a 16 year-old girl and she's too naive and soft, which was her demise in her fight against Tatsuya. Tatsuya used his abilities like Decomposition in his fight against her, but she didn't have any abilities that warranted using Trident. I suspect that the only reason Tatsuya would need Trident to beat Yanagi and Kazuma is that they have abilities that Tatsuya wouldn't be able to counter without Trident. In the end, battles aren't just about power. They're about compatibility.

[Quol]

Erika likes Tatsuya and thinks of Leo as a comrade or pupil, but if your looking for some kind of relationship to develope between Erika and Tatsuya...well lets say the chance of LeoxErika is higher

[Reality_Breaker]

Originally Posted by Quol

Erika likes Tatsuya and thinks of Leo as a comrade or pupil, but if your looking for some kind of relationship to develope between Erika and Tatsuya...well lets say the chance of LeoxErika is higher

Damn it, well I might start reading it again who knows, but thanks.

[Jirachier]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

Lina is just a 16 year-old girl and she's too naive and soft, which was her demise in her fight against Tatsuya. Tatsuya used his abilities like Decomposition in his fight against her, but she didn't have any abilities that warranted using Trident. I suspect that the only reason Tatsuya would need Trident to beat Yanagi and Kazuma is that they have abilities that Tatsuya wouldn't be able to counter without Trident. In the end, battles aren't just about power. They're about compatibility.

The title "strongest magician of the USNA army" was given to her while taking into account her personally and experience and everything. And if we're talking about compatibility Tatsuya basically has the worse compatibility with Lina since she has Parade which he hates not to mention that he was doing his best not to kill her which is very hard to do for him considering that all of his offensive magic are deadly.
If Tatsuya needs Trident to beat Kazama or Yanagi because he has AGAIN bad compatibility with them magic-wise then the author really needs to stop doing this and just come up with some other reason why Tatsuya is having a hard time, what are the odds that every single time tatsuya faces a problematic opponent he happens to have specific counters to him.

[henzaeroz]

Originally Posted by Reality_Breaker

Damn it, well I might start reading it again who knows, but thanks.

for now, probably tatsuya has higher chance because of erika's family background.
Rozen family seems interested in Tatsuya.

[Reality_Breaker]

Originally Posted by henzaeroz

for now, probably tatsuya has higher chance because of erika's family background.
Rozen family seems interested in Tatsuya.

O.o really, hmm now i'm interested, it's just that I like their interactions with each other, since it seem that apart from his sister Erika is the only one that can bring him out of his comfort zone at least where i'm at in the LN, thanks for the reply.

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by Jirachier

The title "strongest magician of the USNA army" was given to her while taking into account her personally and experience and everything. And if we're talking about compatibility Tatsuya basically has the worse compatibility with Lina since she has Parade which he hates not to mention that he was doing his best not to kill her which is very hard to do for him considering that all of his offensive magic are deadly.
If Tatsuya needs Trident to beat Kazama or Yanagi because he has AGAIN bad compatibility with them magic-wise then the author really needs to stop doing this and just come up with some other reason why Tatsuya is having a hard time, what are the odds that every single time tatsuya faces a problematic opponent he happens to have specific counters to him.

Well, I think that the author is being realistic here and I actually prefer it that way. Besides, the title "strongest magician of the USNA army" was not given to Lina after she personally battled every other USNA soldier, just the former Sirius, I think and he's got the worst compatibility with the parasites Also, you should note that Parade would prove difficult against pretty much every other magician and that all of Tatsuya's weaknesses shown are the vulnerabilities of other magicians. So the author isn't just discriminating against Tatsuya.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Reality_Breaker

O.o really, hmm now i'm interested, it's just that I like their interactions with each other, since it seem that apart from his sister Erika is the only one that can bring him out of his comfort zone at least where i'm at in the LN, thanks for the reply.

I welcome you to the family!!!!

Spoiler for vol 7:

"What are you guys talking about?"

Suddenly, Erika joined in after arriving from the audience stands.

"Erika, are you alone? Where's Leo?"

The two of them were just together, thus prompting Tatsuya's question.

Yet, displeasure colored Erika's face.

"......Tatsuya-kun. I'd like to take this opportunity to make something perfectly clear."

Erika wasn't the sort to do something outrageous like throw a fit with so many witnesses around, but her commanding tone was charismatic in its own right.

"Can you stop lumping me together with that? I only taught him a few tricks and gave him a weapon, beyond that there's nothing going on."

"That's not what I meant......"

Despite the misunderstanding, Tatsuya was not an "honest guy", but this time he was being earnest. He truly meant nothing by his words.

Speaking of which, wasn't this overreaction a hint that she hadn't discerned this was an issue? Tatsuya turned that thought over in his head, but wasn't evil enough to verbalize it.

"Where's everyone else?"

Since the triumph during the Nine Schools Competition, their peers from Year 1 Class E had expressed great interest and all claimed that "We're all coming to cheer you on~!" or something like that, so everyone from class planned on showing up.

"Our classmates shouldn't have arrived yet, right? That's probably because they know we're set to go onstage in the afternoon. Ah, but Mizuki and Miki are here in the front row. There's a lot of chemistry going on there."

Erika chuckled mischievously as she sat next to Tatsuya.

So she disliked talking about her own business, but was quite intrigued when talking about others.

In this regard, Erika was a perfectly normal young girl, Tatsuya thought.

They say Erika x Leo is a higher chance but not from what I read....
from what I read Erika's overreaction came from Tatsuya asking wheres Leo, but Erika isnt a Tsundere character cuz I didnt say that she was blushing its purely in denial as a matter of fact she had a displeasured look on her face and who would wanna talk about a guy linking you in front of someone you like, worst thing is the one who initiate it was the someone you have a crush on. Beside Erika is a perfectly normal young girl!

[Ophis]

Originally Posted by Jirachier

Trident is both the spell and the CAD, so it might be either of them and to be honest the logic here of the author is not very good, so tatsuya can beat Lina who is the strongest magician in the USNA army without going all out but somehow he needs to go all out to beat Yanagi or Kazama who are powerful magicians in their own right but still, it's like comparing Miyuki(Tatsuya) to Mayumi(Yanagi/Kazama), both hold amazing magic abilites but one of them is just too damn good power wise.

He was referring the CAD "Trident" not the magic. "Trident" was not developed for the sole purpose of cast three consecutives decomposition magics. As was shown in the "Nine Schools Competition", a normal CAD cannot emulate Tatsuya's abilities very well, for example, in "Monolith Code" he was incapable of rendering his oponent unconcious like he did with Hattori. That being said, Tatsuya does not really need to use "Mist Dispersal" to win over Kasama or Yanagi, he stated that he cant win against them without "Trident" because his techniques are too complexes for a normal CAD to execute them.

There's nothing wrond with the logic of the author in this point.

[Reality_Breaker]

Originally Posted by pampz21

I welcome you to the family!!!!



They say Erika x Leo is a higher chance but not from what I read....
from what I read Erika's overreaction came from Tatsuya asking wheres Leo, but Erika isnt a Tsundere character cuz I didnt say that she was blushing its purely in denial as a matter of fact she had a displeasured look on her face and who would wanna talk about a guy linking you in front of someone you like, worst thing is the one who initiate it was the someone you have a crush on. Beside Erika is a perfectly normal young girl!

I also got that when I read the spoiler, i'll try starting to read were I left off, it's a good story even if it does go overboard with the explanations.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

Yes. It was mentioned in the Mayumi SS.

so in D7 arc, Koichi already know about Tatsuya identity as 101 squadron and as a Yotsuba member ? I do not know if he wants to start a war with Yotsuba

[nacer666]

Koichi knows that 'a yotsuba' is a 101 member not 'shiba tatsuya'.And i don't think kudo told him what he knows.The wry look on kudo's face in D7 might mean he fears tatsuya's revenge.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by nacer666

Koichi knows that 'a yotsuba' is a 101 member not 'shiba tatsuya'.And i don't think kudo told him what he knows.The wry look on kudo's face in D7 might mean he fears tatsuya's revenge.

from summary web arc 6

Hearing this story, Hayama (Maya's butler), says it may be the workings of Saegusa Koichi, the current head of the Saegusa
household, since his influence is strong in Tokyo. He warns Tatsuya that he needs to exercise more discretion for Miyuki's sake, since
it is too early for her to be connected to the Yotsuba, though Saegusa Koichi may already have an idea about her identity. Tatsuya
decides to leave all the data he obtained from Lina's trailer with Hayama and the clean up to Hayama.

Koichi seems to know Miyuki's identity

[CatRules]

This is one of many misunderstanding about this novel that I already got bored and tired to correct.


I can't understand why many people still think Koichi knew the sibling's identities as Yotsuba.

I can't understand why they take a translator's note and the Yotsuba's speculation as a fact.


I definitely can not understand why they still hold on that misconception despite seeing what happen in D7. (I mean how many time have I said that if Koichi knew the sibling's true identities, he would attack both of them instead of targeting only Tatsuya.)

[HasNoLove]

hmm...
could someone re upload or re-attache the links of all summarize of D7 for making sure whats the truth, please...

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by CatRules

I can't understand why they take a translator's note and the Yotsuba's speculation as a fact.

that's Web Arc 6 Summary.

i don't think that's translators note. because he translated that from Web arc.

Originally Posted by CatRules

I definitely can not understand why they still hold on that misconception despite seeing what happen in D7. (I mean how many time have I said that if Koichi knew the sibling's true identities, he would attack both of them instead of targeting only Tatsuya.)

why would he attack them ?
he want to start a WAR with the Untouchable ?

[CatRules]

Originally Posted by hakazee

that's Web Arc 6 Summary.

i don't think that's translators note. because he translated that from Web arc.



why would he attack them ?
he want to start a WAR with the Untouchable ?

The translator note I mentioned is this.

My Note: The "answer" is that someone (Shiba "Bad Ass" Tatsuya) from the Yotsuba family is within the 101 Squadron.

the one in the SS



His main goal is to weaken the Yotsuba

The reason he attack Tat in D7 is to damage the army which will weaken the Yotsuba(because he believe 101st is affiliated with the Yotsuba).


IF he REALLY knew Tat is one, he might be afraid of messing with him. In the worst case that Koichi really wants to destroy Yotsuba, he won't be this indirect and will target BOTH TAT and MIYUKI.


Look at the timeline and read carefully. It was less than one year from the SS to D7 and I don't think Koichi has an Alzheimer's.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by CatRules

His main goal is to weaken the Yotsuba

The reason he attack Tat in D7 is to damage the army which will weaken the Yotsuba(because he believe 101st is affiliated with the Yotsuba).


IF he REALLY knew Tat is one, he might be afraid of messing with him. In the worst case that Koichi really wants to destroy Yotsuba, he won't be this indirect and will target BOTH TAT and MIYUKI.

he only want to cut ties between 101 and yotsuba. i think he did not attack him frontally and trying to kill him . it's like mind and political game.
Maya also know about what saegusa scheme but she keep silent that means she followed the game and play with him.
it's the best way to weaken them without starting a war with them.


how he can target Miyuki ? miyuki only has one secret that is as Yotsuba.

[nacer666]

I think he is gonna learn the truth the hard way.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by hakazee

from summary web arc 6




Koichi seems to know Miyuki's identity

not surprising. she looks exactly like her mother who was twins with his former fiancee.