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View Poll Results: Aquarion EVOL - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 10 | 17.86% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 11 | 19.64% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 7 | 12.50% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 8.93% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 7 | 12.50% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.79% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 3.57% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.79% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 3 | 5.36% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 9 | 16.07% | |
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2012-06-18, 17:46 | Link #142 | |
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Apollonius just saw him as a bro but Touma is just too yandere for him. Heck there is Otoha Touma knows she loves him but he just uses her as a tool. For 12,000 year Touma was expecting Apollonius to get back with his Celiane. What he got was the dog! And Apollonius was just standing there not facing him. Or claiming Celiane. Thus Cosplay of the Soul makes sense. Fudo is the master of disguise but he telling his students to be themselves. Even the reincarnation of those close to him. Silvia and Sirius, Reika, and Apollo. Heck one could argue he was getting close to Sophia. |
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2012-06-18, 17:49 | Link #143 |
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Fudo teleported away after Genesis though and since he's the master of disguise he could easily have been the one to get with older Silvia. The blood of Celiane and Apollonius must still flow for new generations after all.
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2012-06-18, 19:38 | Link #145 | |
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2012-06-18, 22:28 | Link #148 |
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What I have read says the Wings of the Sun doesn't refer to Apollonius but his Wings and it was tore off Apollonius when he saved Celiane then he put the Wings inside the core of Vector Sol when he started using Aquarion effectively making Aquarion the Wings of the Sun
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2012-06-18, 22:46 | Link #149 | ||
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Found a post by an anon, that I thought was pretty good in capturing the problem with some of the themes or morales in/of this story. No credit to me but no one to give credit to as they are all anons. I'm pretty sure this is all from one anon.
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2012-06-18, 23:00 | Link #150 |
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Man... They really want to cut Zessica and think that would somehow make Amata and Mikono more endearing. With how hypocritical and sidelined Amata is I don't think he would be as popular as the Kagura x Mikono fan dream even if Zessica never appeared. Says something when the only way to try and salvage the main pair is to get rid of the more popular choice altogether.
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2012-06-18, 23:46 | Link #151 | |
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You shouldn't love someone because fate says so but you must be fated to even stand a chance. Spoiler for sigh:
So why is she in the story?
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2012-06-18, 23:50 | Link #152 |
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Vena: I mean, I see it and I don't. I am just waiting to see the final episode and only then does it seem worth trying to work backwards and figure out what it was they were trying to do, how the pieces were meant to fit together, and where it all (presumably!) went wrong....
Though, I think we even had a discussion here a bit back about how you could clean the show up by removing any 1 of the main 4 characters. |
2012-06-18, 23:55 | Link #153 |
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It was just a love triangle handled horribly. She was supposed to serve as the rival, and opposite, of Mikono that makes viewers wonder if Amata will get with her or Mikono. However they failed with that since it was too one sided with Amata only showing slight care for her while going crazy for Mikono even though she's causing him the most pain.
Personally I feel the series would be better if Zessica was made for the end game pair. Such as Amata choosing her in the end after realizing how stupid he has been the entire time for letting his fascination for Mikono(Which he later figures out that he doesn't even know why he's so crazy for her.. Oh right, Destiny and love at first sight. The things he's fighting against) cloud him from Zessica who has been trying so hard to even get noticed. With him getting over destiny/Mikono which leads to Mykage giving off a "FUUUUUU" face because now Zessica isn't the unchosen, thus no more body, and neither is Mikono since Kagura still loves her even if she doesn't get with him. Of course this would require that Amata actually be shown giving a **** about Zessica more in the series and not immediately forget she exists when Mikono shows up to be useless. If this ends badly, which I'm 100% it will with the preview showing Amata and Mikono being idiots, I can see them trying to cash in on angry fans by making an OVA with Zessica as the lead heroine instead of Mikono than say it's another time or universe. Whatever floats their boat. |
2012-06-18, 23:57 | Link #154 | |
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- Fated but I have the wings to fly above fate and I love the girl for who she is, to end up with the girl I am fated for and with whom I fell in love the moment I met her because of a fated meeting. vs. - Not fated, loves the guy for who he is, ends up as Mykage's new car. If they just removed Zessica there wouldn't be a problem and Kagura and Amata comparing each other's reasons, and Mikono giving a reason next episode, won't come off as awkward when compared to that girl who took on the world and got crushed cause she did get the *instant love cause of fate* perk when leveling up in Skyrim.
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2012-06-19, 00:09 | Link #156 |
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Vena: ah, I see what you were trying to highlight. I think this is stuff I've typed up before, but I think that there's a good chance the show is going to go for a more radically anti-fate message than what you're implicitly thinking...and thus the muddledness with how fate fits into the characters' lives might actually be intentional. But there's no way to know that for sure until it ends...so I will be waiting eagerly until sunday.
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2012-06-19, 00:10 | Link #157 | ||
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*This part is honestly what makes it sound stupid because you basically have the show admitting that, while fate shouldn't be the only reason, if you don't have it as a quality you can't hope to win (so long as Zessica exists). If you remove Zessica, Amata and Kagura comparing each other's reasons is fine because, in the context of the show, there would be no better example. While, right now, there is a better example. Quote:
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2012-06-19, 00:17 | Link #158 |
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No, removing Zessica doesn't remove the fate fighting at all. Even without her there Amata was still screaming about fighting his fate to get his fate to come true to anyone that would listen. Basically every time he ran into Kagura it was him spouting that same BS over and over again.
If they remove Zessica it would make the Amata x Mikono relationship even dumber because he literally has nothing in the way of it now other than Mikono being indecisive. Which loses a lot to it since she wouldn't feell the need to compete with the far more loveable and assertive Zessica early on, since she wouldn't be there, when she didn't even notice Kagura let since they hadn't met face to face yet. The theme was undermined the moment Amata was revealed to be fated for her, that the man he's fighting is really just his other self who shares his fate, and that he has had no real moment to explain why he loves her so much, that he has screwed over his friends more than once for, other than "Love at first sight" and "Fate/Destiny". So even without her it doesn't change that Amata's arguement over why he's more deserving for Mikono is still stupid because he barely knows any more about her than Kagura. Especially since the "Compliments" he said about Mikono are pretty much untrue considering how things went down so far. It's sad that he really thinks that's Mikono but it's really just the Mikono he wants to believe she is but the sad truth is that the Mikono he sees isn't the Mikono that has been portrayed in the show. |
2012-06-19, 00:22 | Link #159 |
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Not a "radical ending"...I'll be happy if I survive without too many marks on my forehead, .
Let me try and articulate it this way: with Kagura, Amata, and Zessica we have a nice spectrum of attitudes vis-a-vis fate: - Kagura: Sylphie's my destined lover...I like this ("pro-fate"?) - Amata: well fate or no fate I want to be with Mikono => actually I guess we're fated to be together, but I still liked her and wanted to be with her before I knew that ("fate-neutral"? clumsily executed but still...) - Zessica: forget fate, go for the present day, keep on trying even when fate says it's hopeless ...(simplifying away some nuances, naturally)...and Mikono's not on that spectrum because she remains an enigma. For me, a more-radical anti-fate message would be something that doesn't just pick a side -- e.g., it's *not* going to be something saying "see this spot right here, between Amata and Zessica? That's the right attitude to take towards fate!" -- it's going to be someone saying that that whole spectrum is wrong. As in, once you start thinking about fate at all you've already made a potentially-fatal error, only compete indifference to and ignorance of fate is right, or something like that. That's the kind of "radically anti-fate" angle was what i had in mind. |
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