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Old 2013-11-23, 17:05   Link #2941
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She is with the empire because they let her torture people. If the empire reforms and that becomes illegal then its possible for her to rebel against the empire for the fun of it. She isnt loyal to the empire, the only thing she is loyal to is her desires, a reason why she will have to die for the reform to take place (so long esdese )
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Old 2013-11-23, 20:36   Link #2942
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She is with the empire because they let her torture people. If the empire reforms and that becomes illegal then its possible for her to rebel against the empire for the fun of it. She isnt loyal to the empire, the only thing she is loyal to is her desires, a reason why she will have to die for the reform to take place (so long esdese )
Listen to his words people.

This is someone who excepts Esdese's inevitable fate.

Much better then holding on to the false allusion/hope thst the author intends to do anything different with her.
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Old 2013-11-23, 20:45   Link #2943
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You haters are hilarious.

In more relevant news: apparently 6 members of NR are still alive, so that means either Rabac or Suu pulled through. Anyone care to take bets? (Mine aren't on the guy who went ahead and said 'I have no regrets'...)
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Old 2013-11-23, 20:47   Link #2944
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Going for Rabac as survivor...
Suu's good as dead...

say Gody, going for false hope is pretty rude...
Everyone's entitled to their own belief based from how they see the story will lead...

Only the author or producers know how the story will progress
us fan can only speculate and hope...

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Old 2013-11-23, 21:03   Link #2945
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Listen to his words people.

This is someone who excepts Esdese's inevitable fate.

Much better then holding on to the false allusion/hope thst the author intends to do anything different with her.
Anything can happen

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Only the author or producers know how the story will progress
us fan can only speculate and hope...
Exactly

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Old 2013-11-23, 22:24   Link #2946
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true to be told, that only way i can see esdese changing sides if she loose her memories, after all she like battle and torture down to her core, people who like peace won't allow that right? that's why they want to change their country
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Old 2013-11-24, 00:31   Link #2947
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Going for Rabac as survivor...
Suu's good as dead...

say Gody, going for false hope is pretty rude...
Everyone's entitled to their own belief based from how they see the story will lead...

Only the author or producers know how the story will progress
us fan can only speculate and hope...
Of course It's Rabac. There is no way veteran like him would loose to death flags. Poor Suu at least he showed some cool moves before he went...
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Old 2013-11-24, 00:50   Link #2948
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wonder if they manage to retrieve that Teigu of the one Akame killed earlier...
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Old 2013-11-24, 07:27   Link #2949
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Is it just me or some people really overrate Esdese's importance in story? She is just general in the empire, government people are main antagonist. She will die much faster than story ending.
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Old 2013-11-24, 07:53   Link #2950
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She is not just a general,
she's the empire's strongest...
one of the reason as to why the revolution army hasn't made any bolder move than simply assassinating pips...
Indeed the PM is primarily the main antagonist
but she's clearly a boss level on her own, not a mid boss but preferably a second last boss...
she wouldn't die yet... considering how OP she was and how there's no current character known in the series who can be a real match for her
except the aformentioned Budou who was said to be a match but hasn't made an official appearance...
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Old 2013-11-24, 08:22   Link #2951
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In more relevant news: apparently 6 members of NR are still alive, so that means either Rabac or Suu pulled through. Anyone care to take bets? (Mine aren't on the guy who went ahead and said 'I have no regrets'...)
It's Suu.

Raba has mastered avoiding death flags long ago.

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Going for Rabac as survivor...
Suu's good as dead...
Agreed.

He stayed behind to solo Esdese, and their was that big page spread of him pretty much telling tatsumi goodbye, whereas all Raba did was fall over and probably pass out.

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Of course It's Rabac. There is no way veteran like him would loose to death flags. Poor Suu at least he showed some cool moves before he went...
Agreed

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She is not just a general,
she's the empire's strongest...
one of the reason as to why the revolution army hasn't made any bolder move than simply assassinating pips...
Indeed the PM is primarily the main antagonist
but she's clearly a boss level on her own, not a mid boss but preferably a second last boss...
she wouldn't die yet... considering how OP she was and how there's no current character known in the series who can be a real match for her
except the aformentioned Budou who was said to be a match but hasn't made an official appearance...
Your really overating Esdese's strength.

She's not Hiko Seijuro XIII(Rurouni Kenshin), who can take on every character in his universe and win in 10 minutes.

After watching Braht fight, Nyau(member of the 3 beasts, and one of her direct subordinates), said that Braht was on the same level as Esdese, and among NR members Esdese herself commented that he needed special attention.

Esdese herself commented that suu was able to stand against her, and more then demonstrated that he was capable of doing so, and even forced her to use her trump card.

And Budou is flat out stated to be at the same level as Esdese.

Seriously, people she's strong of course, but she's not god.

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Is it just me or some people really overrate Esdese's importance in story? She is just general in the empire, government people are main antagonist. She will die much faster than story ending.
People love her character, and think she's intersting so they like to imagine that she will stick around longer then she actually will.
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Old 2013-11-24, 08:26   Link #2952
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we known she drank the blood of a danger beast so she could very well go berserk around the end of the story
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Old 2013-11-24, 08:30   Link #2953
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we known she drank the blood of a danger beast so she could very well go berserk around the end of the story
And why would she just alll of a sudden snap when it's been shown that she's already more then in control of the danger beasts blood, and that it's effect of making people crazy doesn't work on her because she's already there?

And why would Esdese going crazy have any kind of relevance in the story whatsoever?

None of the characters would care except the jagers if they any of them are even still alive by then.

But this is all a moot point anyway, because Esdese wont last that long.
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Old 2013-11-24, 08:51   Link #2954
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Can't we just all agree that Esdesse has same chance to die as Rabac or Leone ?

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Old 2013-11-24, 09:32   Link #2955
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Cant we all just shut the hell up??

We dont know shit, things can go in a 1000 other directions.


What? you want proof??????? SHIT WHY NOT TAKE CHAP 42 for example and
Spoiler for 43:
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Old 2013-11-24, 10:27   Link #2956
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In Esdese's current state she will have to die at the end of the story. All of the fan boy and girls can say what they want but esdese wants to stay true to her desires to kill and torture people. Do you really think she would be happy to live in an empire that doesnt allow her to do that? This manga is about the real side of a revolution and the sacrifices you have to make to change a country, do you really think the author will just go "i'll keep esdese alive because of her love for tatsumi! PX"
The only way to keep her alive is if she changes her way of thinking.
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Old 2013-11-24, 10:55   Link #2957
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Pointless arguments lol people just keep pushing on what they believe. I shall distance myself from this
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Old 2013-11-24, 12:01   Link #2958
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true to be told, that only way i can see esdese changing sides if she loose her memories, after all she like battle and torture down to her core, people who like peace won't allow that right? that's why they want to change their country
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In Esdese's current state she will have to die at the end of the story. All of the fan boy and girls can say what they want but esdese wants to stay true to her desires to kill and torture people. Do you really think she would be happy to live in an empire that doesnt allow her to do that? This manga is about the real side of a revolution and the sacrifices you have to make to change a country, do you really think the author will just go "i'll keep esdese alive because of her love for tatsumi! PX"
The only way to keep her alive is if she changes her way of thinking.
Well, at this point, we know nothing about the rebels' side except some words from Najenda. All we know is the NR, and they aren't the representative of those rebels. Najenda said they wanted to change the country for the better, but who can guarantee that's true. How could we know that those rebel's leaders really seek peace, not power or supremacy. Bunch of revolutions in France and Russia can give us enough examples.
What's more? If anyone who love battle deserve death then the world doesn't have that much soldier left...
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Old 2013-11-24, 12:33   Link #2959
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Well, at this point, we know nothing about the rebels' side except some words from Najenda. All we know is the NR, and they aren't the representative of those rebels. Najenda.
Chapter 2, page 21

Night Raid is a unit created by the revolutionary army to handle covert operations such as assassinations and gather intelligent. Meaning they are part of the Revolutionary Army.
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Old 2013-11-24, 12:54   Link #2960
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Very detached part of it, if you ask me

Anyway, it's true we don't know thing about actual intentions of RA, and I doubt many members of NR knows more than Tatsumi in that metter. So yeah NR is hardly representative sample of movement.
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