2012-03-19, 15:55 | Link #2961 |
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Each website can give a different description I guess.
DAISY: Innocence, loyal love, I'll never tell, purity, love that conquers all, beauty, simplicity. More western sources http://www.dgreetings.com/fragrance-...r-meaning.html Last edited by mayumi; 2012-03-19 at 16:07. |
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Going by the western meanings. Gerbera daisies are additionally linked to cheerfulness as well, plus new beginnings (just like the ace of diamonds). Lily purity is more majestic and linked to chastity, while the daisy purity lies on an innocence associated with a fresh jovial simplicity (good fit for Mikono and Zessica). Anyway, we can be reading a bit too much into it.
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2012-03-19, 16:51 | Link #2963 |
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Well, I followed a link from wikipedia about hanakotoba and from what I found, you'd pretty much never-ever want to send anyone Japanese an Anemone, ever; what a hilariously negative flower it turns out to be.
I've done my best to translate, but there's a lot of meanings, and they're just words without any context. The central theme of the meanings seems to be about holding onto impossible (romantic) dreams...like when someone devotedly pines away for a lover they'll never have . Who got the red anemone? Was it Kagura? Jin? Zessica? Please don't say Amata... Here goes: Spoiler for spoiled for length":
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2012-03-19, 18:22 | Link #2964 | |
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Besides you don't "overcome" you destiny. You can change it. You can even"make it" but you can't overcome it because it wouldn't be "destiny" Do you mind if I ask you a question? I am correct in assuming you're an AmaKo Shipper right? Do you think MikonoXAmata will be together whether or not he is the reincarnation? because you believe they're Apollon and Sylvie and Kagura is a clone? I am just curious, because I notice that "destined to be together" is always used negatively when it's Kagura's destiny. When it is being said that it's Amata's destiny to be with Mikono it's like *Cheshire Cat Grin* " ...Destiny. Haha destiny! hah! yeah! my boy HAS DESTINY on his side " *- turns and gives hi-fives to other shipmates. .. * It's cool.... just making an observation The OS, and OVA's main theme was destined lovers who reunite every 12000 years and their love can destroy the world or save it and so far, Evol has played it straight....just like the other ones. [QUOTE=Tenchi Hou Take;4060705 Doesn't that fly in the face of most of Kagura's hints anyway?[/QUOTE] No it doesn't. Because ....
I should be asking you that. Doesn't it "fly in the face of most of Amata's hints anyway?" It does not make sense that Amata didn't awaken the Legendary Aquarion, because he wanted to protect Mikono. When he released the false Aquarion to protect Mikono so I doubt that he lacked the desire to protect her and if that's all Mykage needed to do to make Amata awaken Aquarion. He doesn't need Kagura to threaten Mikono. Doesn't make sense to me..... |
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2012-03-19, 18:37 | Link #2965 | |
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This is just the basic observation of this episode. Their not going to introduce such a blatant theme that ties into the heart of the show and just ignore it, it's simply how these animes go. It's like assuming people wouldn't do the impossible or constantly surpass their limits in Gurren Lagann despite the fact such occurrences were heavily implied since the very begining. |
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2012-03-19, 18:49 | Link #2966 | ||
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Alisia did. In the movie. (A film by George Yamamori!) Also, Mikono. Quote:
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As I said I don't give a flying fig about who is the reincarnation of whom. Kagura can be the reincarnation of Apollo ten times over for all I care, but this is really getting ridiculous. I won't even touch the list because lol "emerged from water and bathed in sunlight" (you mean jumped out of water and stood with his back to the sun in two different scenes that were completely unlike lil' Apollo's swim in the lake, and had Apollonius ever done anything like that? also, wolf, well, more like a red-maned-black-thing-that-resembles-a-canine), but seriously, come on. |
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2012-03-19, 19:00 | Link #2967 |
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Not to mention Amata used (part of) it twice, once ironically about his mom (saying that *he*, Amata, was the destiny she overcame iirc...so bitter ) and then again as something of a (seemingly effective) pick-up line on Mikono. Then the line from the movie was overlaid on the scene played again when Yunoha was looking at Jin and wondering if Jin's *really* a bad guy...it was all over the second half of that episode.
FWIW that verb is literally more like "jump over" or "go over" I think, so something like "overcome" an ok fit in English when paired with fate, but there might be a better way to translate it. |
2012-03-19, 19:17 | Link #2968 |
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You need to give that line some context, guys. Sylvie (in the movie) speaks that line because is the fate of the lovers to be reunited briefly only to be separated again and again across eternity (like Vega and Altair!). It isn't the lovers reunion that needs to be overcome with a new flame (yeah, no, missing all the star-crossed lovers references?), but the fateful separation. Likewise, keep in mind this gives them strength to go on: Mikono was struggling with her brother's abandonment, Amata's with his mother's when they found each others. They were separated from people they loved.
Speaking of context: Mikono's words about how there's always somewhere out there for each person and that nobody is unwanted, paired up with a lonely Zessica looking at them just in a timely fashion could also be taking as foreshadowing somewhat.
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2012-03-19, 19:23 | Link #2970 | |
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I'll throw out my two cents that I don't think its a minor detail that Mikono's talk with Amata was so easily applicable to Kagura for herself, which is conveniently matched to a pained Zessica (and her steel origami hearts) for Amata. Now... where will this lead, is the question. Is the obsessed Kagura suddenly going to flip a switch for Zessica ()?
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2012-03-19, 19:23 | Link #2971 |
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Thess: sure, or foreshadowing of Kagura (which I was and am worried about, sigh). But, at the same time, I just realized how slick the use of that line really was: when Amata uses it as a pickup line, the context is him telling Mikono he'll find them a nice spot where they can watch the film together.
She asks him how, and he says he'll use the fate-overcoming wings. Cue some of Amata's trademark flying, right? Then, during the movie, Amata *does* find the two of them a nice viewing spot (accidentally, but still...) when he flies the two of them up in the air. Did he actually (perhaps unintentionally?) make good on his cheesy pickup line? Are his foot-wings *the* wings that'll overcome his fate? Stay tuned to the next 14 episodes to find out... So who got that red anemone? |
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You know which one is my pet theory that if Amata finally turns out to not be a reincarnation (new legend to carry out the torch of the old one that finally concludes). Quote:
Or maybe Mikono and Zessica get together. Kagura is a clone. Amata a descendant. Meanwhile Zessica is the true Apollo to Mikono's Sylvia. Quote:
But in terms of the story, those four are highlight.
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2012-03-19, 19:32 | Link #2974 |
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Oh I know, I just got excited because I knew that with this many "wings" in the show the line would be both metaphorical and literal, but didn't notice how soon a literal application was on hand.
I've said before I'm not really in the reincarnation speculation game anymore. I just want things to stay fun, fabulous, and not get too emo, and I don't want to see Amata get kicked around too badly either. That's about all I'm specifically looking for at this point. |
2012-03-19, 19:33 | Link #2975 |
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My only concern is that Kagura's entire character in this show has been about Mikono. Every inch of his development has been this (weddings, Amata's view, Kagura's own view, Mykage's view, Fudo's view, fuck even Aquarion's view), and changing it can easily take his character from the currently rather shallow pool (one dimensional, lacking much depth or complexity) to a puddle in the Sahara. But we'll have to wait and see, maybe they'll surprise me with something awesome.
Gah, the edit. My only contention is that Kagura did confirm that Mikono's smell was the smell he wanted. Compare his sniffing some random girl to sniffing Mikono. He knew quite well what he was after but he needs to be seemingly very close to confirm.
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2012-03-19, 19:38 | Link #2976 |
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well in regards to zessica i think the fact that she didn't really make any serious move on amata cause she knew he liked mikono. i think its more the "waiting for the renuion" in her case. like silvia would have waited 12000 years for it. i hope she doesn't get tired of waiting and gets pissed off or something
about kagura's smell well kagura's whole liking of mikono is based on smell. smell we don't know if its hers or shushu's. |
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Kagura could have been fabulously trolled by Mykage. He could be a clone, not the real Apollo(n), etc. Just like Amata can be fabulously trolled by making him just a descendant.
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2012-03-19, 19:47 | Link #2978 | |
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As for Jin, there's a bit of a difference. Kagura was on Vega but his time was spent searching for and sniffing out Mikono, until he finally found her on the roof. Jin, on the other hand, was hit by a complete culture shock by his exposure to the *other side* and showed just how much of a naive kid he was. (Jin also had very little screen time prior to his arrival at Neo-Daeva, and no one had talked of him as anything more than the Last Son; he wasn't destined, forbidden, reborn, etc, that all can be and have been applied to Kagura.) That said, you're right much time to go but I'm being wary.
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2012-03-19, 19:54 | Link #2980 |
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Frankly, we barely know anything about anyone. All we have are some vague clues and a few certainities that may or may not lead where they seem to be leading (not to mention 'seem' is apparently very subjective). So I really see no point in getting overly invested in theories. And ship wars never make anything any better.
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